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Re: ENSO:CPC weekly update of 4/27/15 has El Nino at +1.0C

#5941 Postby Kingarabian » Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:34 pm

curtadams wrote:Why is there a discrepancy between the subsurface anomaly and the official SST anomalies? By that subsurface anomaly graph, temps are at about 2 degrees in most of the East Pacific, some areas are at 3, and the most intense warming at the surface is to the east. Official SSTs are substantially less, and the peak is on the west side of the Nino evaluation area. Does the warming fall off that much at the surface? And why the difference in gradients?


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Naturally as the subsurface surfaces some of those temperatures cool to an extent. But what REALLY makes or breaks those very warm temperatures from reaching the surface depends a lot on how the winds are blowing at the surface.

If you have strong Easterlies, expect cooling. Almost always. If those Easterlies weaken, expect to see regular normal warming. And if you get WWB's then expect substantial quick warming.

This is what happened last year with that impressive sub-surface wave in the spring. Impressive sub-surface temperatures but most of them never made it to the surface due to lack of Westerlies/dominance of Easterlies.
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Re: ENSO:CPC weekly update of 4/27/15 has El Nino at +1.0C

#5942 Postby Yellow Evan » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:10 pm

curtadams wrote:Why is there a discrepancy between the subsurface anomaly and the official SST anomalies? By that subsurface anomaly graph, temps are at about 2 degrees in most of the East Pacific, some areas are at 3, and the most intense warming at the surface is to the east. Official SSTs are substantially less, and the peak is on the west side of the Nino evaluation area. Does the warming fall off that much at the surface? And why the difference in gradients?


Changes within the thermocline, which normally is a sharp sub-surface SST gradient.
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#5943 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:04 am

No El Niño yet from BoM, despite SSTs exceeding the threshold :roll: Can someone please explain why?

Tropical Pacific approaches El Niño thresholds
Issued on 28 April 2015 | Product Code IDCKGEWW00
ENSO indicators in the tropical Pacific are approaching El Niño levels. Sea surface temperatures now exceed El Niño thresholds and trade winds have remained weaker than average for several weeks. This suggests some coupling between the ocean and atmosphere may be occurring. If these patterns persist or strengthen, El Niño will become established.
All international climate models surveyed by the Bureau indicate that ocean temperatures are likely to remain above El Niño thresholds until at least the southern hemisphere spring. However, the accuracy of model outlooks at this time of year, the traditional El Niño–Southern Oscillation (ENSO) transition period, is lower than at other times.
Based upon model outlooks and current observations, the Bureau's ENSO Tracker is at ALERT status. This indicates that there is triple the normal chance of El Niño in 2015. El Niño is often associated with below-average winter and spring rainfall over eastern Australia, and above-average daytime temperatures over the southern half of the country.
The Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) remains neutral and model outlooks indicate a neutral IOD for the coming months. From May to November, the IOD can impact Australian climate. However, the Indian Ocean remains much warmer than average, which is currently influencing the Australian rainfall outlook, with an increased chance of above-average rainfall in the near term.
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#5944 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:50 am

2015 has the highest winter PDO in recorded history (since 1900), easily beating out 1941.

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Re: ENSO Updates

#5945 Postby cycloneye » Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:49 am

From the BoM 4/28/15 update:

NINO3.4 outlook

The latest NINO3.4 forecasts (initialised in April) indicate the tropical Pacific Ocean is likely to warm over the coming months, with all models indicating El Niño thresholds are likely to be reached or exceeded in May. All models suggest the central Pacific Ocean will continue to warm past mid-year, with the average September (ensemble mean) forecasts for NINO3.4 more than 1.6 °C above normal.

Model forecasts spanning the February to May period tend to have reduced accuracy, and hence greater spread. This period is known as the "predictability barrier" as the temperature gradients across the tropical Pacific Ocean naturally weaken at this time of year, meaning the Pacific can undergo rapid change. Model outlooks for predictions made during this time should generally be used carefully, though a degree of confidence can be placed in the current outlooks as there is strong consensus among the models that warming above El Niño thresholds will occur by June.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/ahead/mod ... s=Overview



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#5946 Postby Ntxw » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:53 am

WWB signal is getting bigger for May. Could be very significant and if comes to fruition would seal the deal for reinforcement of the subsurface that is already very warm. That will increase the chances for a much stronger event as most if not all the strong Nino's feature a good WWB in May.

Ive been watching the CFSv2 forecast for below the surface couple of trends. Real time has been warmer than the monthly forecast it has and each run since Feb subsequently has been warmer for the next month than previous runs.
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#5947 Postby cycloneye » Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:44 am

Ntxw wrote:WWB signal is getting bigger for May. Could be very significant and if comes to fruition would seal the deal for reinforcement of the subsurface that is already very warm. That will increase the chances for a much stronger event as most if not all the strong Nino's feature a good WWB in May.

Ive been watching the CFSv2 forecast for below the surface couple of trends. Real time has been warmer than the monthly forecast it has and each run since Feb subsequently has been warmer for the next month than previous runs.


Here is what you mean with the WWB forecast.

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#5948 Postby Ntxw » Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:43 am

:uarrow: Yeah, Im not on a computer so I cant post images until later. I would go as far as posting the wind totals not just anomalies. When looking for WWB you want to see pure westerly(u-wind total) winds not just weakened easterlies anomalies. But the dark reds on that map you posted represents pure westerly winds.
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Re: ENSO: BoM 4/28/15 update is up

#5949 Postby Dean_175 » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:08 pm

Dynamical model average is showing a moderate el nino at around 1.4C. Statistical models still showing weak el nino.

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#5950 Postby Kingarabian » Fri May 01, 2015 8:09 pm

Nothing new this week looks like most of the regions maintained.
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#5951 Postby Dean_175 » Fri May 01, 2015 10:29 pm

April's SOI comes in at -3.1. SOI dailies have been negative past few days, but only as a result of a high pressure system over Australia- which now seems to be lifting.


MJO is still inactive and GFS is showing it to remain that way for the next week or two.
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#5952 Postby Yellow Evan » Sun May 03, 2015 3:44 pm

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Bias corrected CFS.
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#5953 Postby Ntxw » Sun May 03, 2015 3:57 pm

1C or 1.1C looks like a good bet for tomorrow's update. Rare May reading of 1C or above.
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#5954 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Sun May 03, 2015 8:18 pm

Impressive. Haven't seen this since 5 years ago, or since 1997. (2006 was too weak)

Canonical El Niño

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Re: ENSO Updates

#5955 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Sun May 03, 2015 11:59 pm

Strengthening El Niño, stronger than forecast

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Update this week should be at +1.1C

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#5956 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Mon May 04, 2015 7:59 am

This week
Niño 4=+1.4°C
Niño 3.4=+1.0°C
Niño 3=+1.0°C
Niño 1+2=+1.9°C
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Re: ENSO Updates

#5957 Postby cycloneye » Mon May 04, 2015 8:10 am

El Nino at +1.0C and ONI up to +0.6C.

http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/analys ... ts-web.pdf
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Re: ENSO Updates

#5958 Postby Ntxw » Mon May 04, 2015 8:33 am

cycloneye wrote:El Nino at +1.0C and ONI up to +0.6C.

http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/analys ... ts-web.pdf


ONI finally went the other way. Eye balling the period for MAM the next ONI jump will be significant, assuming May at least holds steady. Could be 0.8 or 0.9C, the higher possible if May continues to warm. There is no reason to believe it won't, with today's update there is a probable chance this is going down as at least a moderate Nino later this year.

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#5959 Postby Ntxw » Mon May 04, 2015 9:03 am

GFS has been underestimating this WWB. This would qualify as a strong WWB

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#5960 Postby weatherdude1108 » Mon May 04, 2015 10:18 am

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That pink is downright ominous looking.
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