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Re: ENSO Updates

#9561 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:02 am

Ntxw wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Ntxw,Kingarabian ,will the two cyclones in EPAC with their westerly flow affect or not the Equatorial waters?


The WWB likely has created a favorable environment for formation and intensification, likewise the the cyclones will also feedback and solidify the active WWB and perhaps prolong such an event.


Pretty similar to Typhoon Jelawat in the WPAC and its association with the strong WWB that happened in March. With soon to be Aletta and future Bud, this WWB very much has the potential to be a long lasting one.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#9562 Postby NotSparta » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:37 am

The ESPI keeps tanking

The ENSO Precipitation Index (ESPI) for the last 30 days is -1.06
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Re: ENSO Updates

#9563 Postby TheStormExpert » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:49 am

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Re: ENSO Updates

#9564 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:50 am

We are now staring down at a significant WWB. Not simply just weakened trades and anomaly. The true winds at 850s are about to reverse from west to east in the Eastern Pacific, a signature feature of incoming El Ninos. Nino 3.4 will warm rapidly with the current shift.

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The subsurface foundation has been waiting for an opportunity, this may be it.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#9565 Postby weathaguyry » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:16 pm

How much would the ENSO warm if this WWB materializes? It seems like, by what some are saying here, that it will lead to an immediate Nino formation.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#9566 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:25 pm

weathaguyry wrote:How much would the ENSO warm if this WWB materializes? It seems like, by what some are saying here, that it will lead to an immediate Nino formation.


It would likely lead to the weeklies approach or achieve 0.5C by the end of June is my best guess. With a solid subsurface, additional forcing would continue to the warming through summer into Fall. Its the trigger needed for atmosphere and ocean to couple.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#9567 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:19 pm

Pretty incredible and rare event taking place since there's even raw westerly winds forming, it's not just anomalies:

 https://twitter.com/MJVentrice/status/1004364747767152640


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Re: ENSO Updates

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Re: ENSO Updates

#9569 Postby aperson » Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:30 pm

Kingarabian wrote:Pretty incredible and rare event taking place since there's even raw westerly winds forming, it's not just anomalies:


I have a naive question about these graphs: Does the contoured region around positive anomalies represent 0 raw zonal wind speed?
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Re: ENSO: CPC Weekly update of 6/4/18: Niño 3.4 up to 0.0C / ONI for MAM up to -0.4C

#9570 Postby euro6208 » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:34 pm

Haris wrote:Do you know where is a good site to study each MJO phase in great depth?


http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/mjo/

I like to use this one but there are others out there.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#9571 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:05 pm

aperson wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:Pretty incredible and rare event taking place since there's even raw westerly winds forming, it's not just anomalies:


I have a naive question about these graphs: Does the contoured region around positive anomalies represent 0 raw zonal wind speed?


Possibly, or a lower M s average.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#9572 Postby NDG » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:41 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
aperson wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:Pretty incredible and rare event taking place since there's even raw westerly winds forming, it's not just anomalies:


I have a naive question about these graphs: Does the contoured region around positive anomalies represent 0 raw zonal wind speed?


Possibly, or a lower M s average.


The way I look at it is slower mostly easterly trade winds, the image below still show mostly easterly winds but the anomaly SW vector winds just north of the equator cold possibly mean that they have a more westerly direction than normal but not that the winds are from the west.
Any true westerly wind burst will be well north of the equator, IMO.
BTW, +1.0C have surfaced at sections of Nino 3, according to the buoys.

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Re: ENSO Updates

#9573 Postby Ntxw » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:28 pm

Some changes the past few weeks in the EQ Pacific

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Re: ENSO Updates

#9574 Postby StruThiO » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:01 am

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completely unsure how this compares in terms of position, intensity, and duration to other WWB events. Could this truly propel us into a nino by, say ASO? I am certainly no expert but based off of what I have learned so far, with a rising and strengthening subsurface warm pool it seems like this could be the real deal!
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Re: ENSO Updates

#9575 Postby NotSparta » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:32 am

StruThiO wrote:Image

completely unsure how this compares in terms of position, intensity, and duration to other WWB events. Could this truly propel us into a nino by, say ASO? I am certainly no expert but based off of what I have learned so far, with a rising and strengthening subsurface warm pool it seems like this could be the real deal!


While not bad, this WWB is generally short and a bit far east. While it'll warm the EPAC, it won't really be able to warm Niño 4, or create new downwelling KWs (one could argue that the divergence to the west of the WWB would do the opposite). However, it would be a big help to the current one surfacing, which would be a big boost to El Niño.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#9576 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:36 am

We are no longer in the Spring barrier. Most guidance points toward an El Nino of some sort later this year

 https://twitter.com/BenNollWeather/status/1005423385461977094


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Re: ENSO Updates

#9577 Postby Shell Mound » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:48 am

Ntxw wrote:We are no longer in the Spring barrier. Most guidance points toward an El Nino of some sort later this year

 https://twitter.com/BenNollWeather/status/1005423385461977094



I'm honestly thinking that the +AMO has ended earlier than anticipated. The long-term trend since 2013 has been downward. The AMOC continues to slow down due to melting ice caps resulting in the persistent cold pool over the North Atlantic. That cold pool is stronger than ever thus far this year and is expected to persist through January 2019, according to the model guidance posted above. This could mean that the hyperactive 2017 was indeed a blip in an otherwise less-active era, as I have suggested a few times previously, but time will tell, of course. This will be good news for coastal areas, as emergent -AMO + expanded Hadley cells (warming climate) = sinking air, persistent TUTT, and enhanced shear over the MDR, at least in a general sense, if not a yearly one. Since most U.S. major hurricanes have tended to form in the MDR, this means far fewer major landfalls are likely on average. If an East-Coast trough reemerges and persists, that number could be even lower.

Back on topic: I agree that a robust El Niño of moderate or stronger intensity is becoming more likely to affect the 2018 Atlantic hurricane season.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#9578 Postby cycloneye » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:53 am

Interesting discussion by NASA about the Westerly Wind Bursts warming the waters.

After a mild La Niña late last year, temperatures, convection and rainfall rates in the equatorial Pacific Ocean returned to normal by early April of this year. An April 9 image of sea level height from the U.S./European Jason-3 satellite mission showed most of the ocean at neutral heights. But by the beginning of May, high sea levels began to build up in the Central Pacific. In the tropics, high sea levels are usually caused by a layer of warm water at or below the surface.

This patch of high sea level is slowly traveling eastward through the tropical Pacific Ocean along the equator. Known as a downwelling Kelvin wave, this type of signal is often a precursor to an El Niño event.

The Kelvin wave formed after a few short periods when winds changed from the prevailing easterlies to westerly -- known as westerly wind bursts -- in the far western Pacific in early 2018. In addition, there has been a general weakening of the easterly winds along the equator since January. Both of these wind conditions combine to create the Kelvin wave, which moves east along the equator and results in the spreading of warm water layers that are normally confined to the western Pacific Ocean eastward into the central Pacific. The red pattern visible at the equator on May 9 is the result of this downwelling Kelvin wave.

During a large El Niño, like the 2015-16 event, a huge area where sea levels are more than a foot (30 centimeters) higher than normal is visible in Jason-3 images. The high sea level is caused by a thick layer of warm water in the upper several hundred feet of the ocean. Such large El Niño events affect weather and climate across the globe, particularly in the western United States. In California, El Niños usually mean above-average winter rainfall, while Oregon and Washington typically see drier-than-normal winters.

El Niños happen when a series of Kelvin waves like this one spread warm water from west to east along the equator, causing high sea levels in the Central Pacific and sometimes as far east as the coastlines of Central and South America. The warm water is currently confined to the subsurface, with no warming at the ocean surface -- a first indicator of an upcoming El Niño event. But forecasters at agencies like NOAA (the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) and ECMWF (European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts) will be watching closely for more Kelvin waves like this one as summer approaches.



https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/warm-w ... al-pacific


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Re: ENSO Updates

#9579 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:20 pm

When you are talking about El Nino and La Nina a big key ingredient is the Walker Circulation. Getting convection to fire in the Equatorial Pacific is more inclined with El Nino as the Walker Circulation is shifted much further east than usual. Perhaps the ESPI will reflect this down the road

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Re: ENSO Updates

#9580 Postby NotSparta » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:30 pm

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The ESPI is pretty deep in the negatives right now, at -0.88. Appears that the ITCZ is wet, but closer to the equator is drier than normal (north shifted ITCZ, caused by +PMM). A tiny amount of precip exists at 135°W, then nothing much until you get west of the dateline
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