2021 Cyclones Retirement: Ida -> Imani

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Re: 2021 Cyclones Retirement

#21 Postby Astromanía » Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:12 pm

I propose Ixchel to replace Ida
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#22 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:27 am

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Tekken_Guy wrote:Are Greek letter names now eligible to return as people’s names?


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AFAIK there's nothing that prohibits the use of them as "human names" in a naming list, so it's certainly possible (maybe with the exception of Eta and Iota).

Most Greek names do not actually sound like human names though. Delta is the closest call, but there are many better D names available that I don't see us needing Delta on the naming list anytime soon. Also note that Gemma on the auxiliary list is similar to Gamma.


Eta and Iota are retired like any other name on the retired list, but Greek letters can otherwise be used as human names. Delta is the only realistic one to get in there, and that's if a female D name is retired. Danielle is next up in 2022, but there are lots of other female D names to choose from too.

If Ida is retired (looking likely now), every list - except for List 4 - will have double-retired the I name: Isabel/Ida, Ivan/Igor, Irene/Irma, Iris/Ingrid and Isidore/Ike.
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Re: 2021 Cyclones Retirement

#23 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:36 am

Female I names NOT available (a pretty long list):

Idalia, Ileana, Imelda, Inez, Ingrid, Ione, Irene, Iris, Irma, Isabel, Iselle, Isis, Isla, Ivette
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Re: 2021 Cyclones Retirement

#24 Postby Tekken_Guy » Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:54 am

CrazyC83 wrote:
Teban54 wrote:
Tekken_Guy wrote:Are Greek letter names now eligible to return as people’s names?


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AFAIK there's nothing that prohibits the use of them as "human names" in a naming list, so it's certainly possible (maybe with the exception of Eta and Iota).

Most Greek names do not actually sound like human names though. Delta is the closest call, but there are many better D names available that I don't see us needing Delta on the naming list anytime soon. Also note that Gemma on the auxiliary list is similar to Gamma.


Eta and Iota are retired like any other name on the retired list, but Greek letters can otherwise be used as human names. Delta is the only realistic one to get in there, and that's if a female D name is retired. Danielle is next up in 2022, but there are lots of other female D names to choose from too.

If Ida is retired (looking likely now), every list - except for List 4 - will have double-retired the I name: Isabel/Ida, Ivan/Igor, Irene/Irma, Iris/Ingrid and Isidore/Ike.

Did Sandy save Isaac from retirement in 2012?


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Re: 2021 Cyclones Retirement

#25 Postby galaxy401 » Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:39 am

...Yeah Ida is going to be retired. Another I name bites the dust.
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Re: 2021 Cyclones Retirement

#26 Postby Landy » Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:39 pm

I guess I'll through my hat into the ring and suggest Idalys as a replacement. Close to Ida but the WMO has done worse before... *cough* RINA. :lol:
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Re: 2021 Cyclones Retirement

#27 Postby Cleveland Kent Evans » Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:20 pm

I think Ivy is the best alternative for replacing Ida myself. Iva, Ina, and Inga would also be good candidates. As long as we have short and simple names like these to use, I think we should go with them.

There really should be enough female "I" names left for a while. It's the male "I" names where there may soon be a real problem in finding replacements if they keep getting retired.
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Re: 2021 Cyclones Retirement

#28 Postby Teban54 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:56 am

Landy wrote:I guess I'll through my hat into the ring and suggest Idalys as a replacement. Close to Ida but the WMO has done worse before... *cough* RINA. :lol:

It's also close to Idalia on the current naming list for 2023, which is the main reason why I don't see Idalys becoming a viable name just yet.
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#29 Postby Category5Kaiju » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:23 am

Teban54 wrote:
Landy wrote:I guess I'll through my hat into the ring and suggest Idalys as a replacement. Close to Ida but the WMO has done worse before... *cough* RINA. :lol:

It's also close to Idalia on the current naming list for 2023, which is the main reason why I don't see Idalys becoming a viable name just yet.


Odalys is also a name already in use in the EPAC, so I'm not sure if Idalys (which is very similar) would be considered. However, I personally would not be surprised to see a name like Ivy, Inga, or Imogen. Although I will say that given Inga was already a Cat 3, long-lived Atlantic hurricane in 1969, while it was not retired and nothing really prevents the use of that name again, the WMO could very well decide to save that name until female I names are really starting to run out and instead go with a name never seen in the Atlantic basin since 1953. My personal guess and favorite would be Imogen.
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Re: 2021 Cyclones Retirement

#30 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:20 pm

Ivana? Ivone?
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Re: 2021 Cyclones Retirement

#31 Postby Category5Kaiju » Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:49 pm

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:Ivana? Ivone?


I personally feel like those sound too similar to Ivan
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Re: 2021 Cyclones Retirement

#32 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:57 pm

Category5Kaiju wrote:
Hypercane_Kyle wrote:Ivana? Ivone?


I personally feel like those sound too similar to Ivan

Itzel sounds good . . .
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#33 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:13 pm

One thing worth noting: Every name on this list the rest of the way is an original - from Kate to Wanda. So any other retirements would be retiring a name off the original 1979 list (if there are any).
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Re: 2021 Cyclones Retirement

#34 Postby BadLarry95 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:27 pm

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:Ivana? Ivone?



Ivanka, Inna, Isabella (prolly too close to Isabel though Isabel is largely forgotten now), Iva, Indira, Inga
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Re: 2021 Cyclones Retirement

#35 Postby Category5Kaiju » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:48 pm

BadLarry95 wrote:
Hypercane_Kyle wrote:Ivana? Ivone?



Ivanka, Inna, Isabella (prolly too close to Isabel though Isabel is largely forgotten now), Iva, Indira, Inga


I can assure you with going to college in Eastern Virginia that many people I know who are originally from Eastern Virginia know about Isabel or have families who went through it; I wouldn't necessarily say it has been forgotten especially among Virginians as it was arguably one of the worst TCs to affect the state.
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Re: 2021 Cyclones Retirement

#36 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:55 pm

Category5Kaiju wrote:
BadLarry95 wrote:
Hypercane_Kyle wrote:Ivana? Ivone?



Ivanka, Inna, Isabella (prolly too close to Isabel though Isabel is largely forgotten now), Iva, Indira, Inga


I can assure you with going to college in Eastern Virginia that many people I know who are originally from Eastern Virginia know about Isabel or have families who went through it; I wouldn't necessarily say it has been forgotten especially among Virginians as it was arguably one of the worst TCs to affect the state.


Isabel was the first hurricane I ever experienced. Chesapeake, VA 2003.
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Re: 2021 Cyclones Retirement

#37 Postby Teban54 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:17 pm

Unlike absolute monsters with well-known impacts like Andrew, Katrina and Sandy, storms like Isabel are the ones that the general public (even weather enthusiasts) gradually forget in a few years or decades, but the local people will remember well for generations to come. Many people I know in NC still remember Fran really well, even though I haven't seen anyone mentioning it here in the last few years. This is even more true for storms that affected areas outside the CONUS, such as Keith, Stan, Marilyn, Diana, etc. (Of course Florida storms get an exception due to the sheer number of users here.)

Sure, they are obviously less well-known than the most infamous retired storms, but to suggest they are largely forgotten or can be reused as similar variants of the name might be a bit inconsiderate for the people affected.

(Case in point: Typhoon Hagupit 2008 made landfall in southern China at Cat 4 strength, causing 100+ deaths and 1 billion USD damage, yet it wasn't retired. When Typhoon Hagupit 2020 was approaching landfall in southeastern China, on social media there were people getting confused and saying "I remember there was a Hagupit in 2008 that struck Guangdong and it was extremely strong" etc.)

On the flip side, they did use Rina to replace Rita, so...
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#38 Postby Category5Kaiju » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:26 pm

Teban54 wrote:Unlike absolute monsters with well-known impacts like Andrew, Katrina and Sandy, storms like Isabel are the ones that the general public (even weather enthusiasts) gradually forget in a few years or decades, but the local people will remember well for generations to come. Many people I know in NC still remember Fran really well, even though I haven't seen anyone mentioning it here in the last few years. This is even more true for storms that affected areas outside the CONUS, such as Keith, Stan, Marilyn, Diana, etc. (Of course Florida storms get an exception due to the sheer number of users here.)

Sure, they are obviously less well-known than the most infamous retired storms, but to suggest they are largely forgotten or can be reused as similar variants of the name might be a bit inconsiderate for the people affected.

(Case in point: Typhoon Hagupit 2008 made landfall in southern China at Cat 4 strength, causing 100+ deaths and 1 billion USD damage, yet it wasn't retired. When Typhoon Hagupit 2020 was approaching landfall in southeastern China, on social media there were people getting confused and saying "I remember there was a Hagupit in 2008 that struck Guangdong and it was extremely strong" etc.)

On the flip side, they did use Rina to replace Rita, so...


Yeah of all the name replacements WMO has done in the past, the Rita to Rina transition imho is arguably the weirdest. Like, they couldn't just have gone with Robin, Rhonda, or Ruth? :lol:

On the other hand, Katrina to Katia, Dennis to Don, and Fabian to Fred are also imho weird, like I personally would have liked Katrina to Kathleen, Dennis to Donald, and Fabian to Fletcher. But again, that's just me, the WMO already made the choice.. :D
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#39 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:46 pm

Category5Kaiju wrote:
Teban54 wrote:Unlike absolute monsters with well-known impacts like Andrew, Katrina and Sandy, storms like Isabel are the ones that the general public (even weather enthusiasts) gradually forget in a few years or decades, but the local people will remember well for generations to come. Many people I know in NC still remember Fran really well, even though I haven't seen anyone mentioning it here in the last few years. This is even more true for storms that affected areas outside the CONUS, such as Keith, Stan, Marilyn, Diana, etc. (Of course Florida storms get an exception due to the sheer number of users here.)

Sure, they are obviously less well-known than the most infamous retired storms, but to suggest they are largely forgotten or can be reused as similar variants of the name might be a bit inconsiderate for the people affected.

(Case in point: Typhoon Hagupit 2008 made landfall in southern China at Cat 4 strength, causing 100+ deaths and 1 billion USD damage, yet it wasn't retired. When Typhoon Hagupit 2020 was approaching landfall in southeastern China, on social media there were people getting confused and saying "I remember there was a Hagupit in 2008 that struck Guangdong and it was extremely strong" etc.)

On the flip side, they did use Rina to replace Rita, so...


Yeah of all the name replacements WMO has done in the past, the Rita to Rina transition imho is arguably the weirdest. Like, they couldn't just have gone with Robin, Rhonda, or Ruth? :lol:

On the other hand, Katrina to Katia, Dennis to Don, and Fabian to Fred are also imho weird, like I personally would have liked Katrina to Kathleen, Dennis to Donald, and Fabian to Fletcher. But again, that's just me, the WMO already made the choice.. :D

TIL Fletcher is a first name
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Re: 2021 Cyclones Retirement

#40 Postby CrazyC83 » Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:30 pm

If Isabella is chosen, it will have been 24 years since Isabel by then. That may be enough time to allow at least a derivative, even if the "original" name is retired.
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