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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models

#2741 Postby Deshaunrob17 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:40 pm

https://fb.watch/eRq5dPOW9c/
This was a really good presentation from Phil Klotzbach a couple days ago..
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#2742 Postby weeniepatrol » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:23 pm

weeniepatrol wrote:
weeniepatrol wrote:probably nothing.. :ggreen:
https://imgur.com/bw8zoYw


https://imgur.com/S7qb7jP


All I'm saying is.. it's mid August and sfc vorticities like this should probably be monitored

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#2744 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:01 am

Guys, I’m seeing signs that the Atlantic is awakening. Waves are starting to look healthier coming off Africa. :slime:
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#2745 Postby Iceresistance » Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:04 am

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#2746 Postby SFLcane » Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:17 am

I think there's a lot of early indications that the steering regime is not going to be the typical EC trough -PDO/Nina for September. Certainly hasn't been typical Nina conditions in the basin since October of last year. Late August into September looks concerning for steering regime given the warming in the NE Pac. Euro monthlies have that too, and Roundy's MJO/LF forcing analogs.
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#2747 Postby skyline385 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:39 am

Iceresistance wrote:Something to note here from the CPC

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That below average rainfall stands out to me, wonder what their reasoning for it is. The MJO should still be in phase 2/3 and the last EPS weekly shows it moving over the MC only around mid September.


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#2748 Postby tolakram » Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:49 pm

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#2749 Postby zzh » Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:09 pm

:uarrow: It makes sense that 2020 tropical Atlantic had below average THDV with most of the MDR systems struggled that year.
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#2750 Postby tolakram » Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:13 pm

zzh wrote::uarrow: It makes sense that 2020 tropical Atlantic had below average THDV with most of the MDR systems struggled that year.


It's always below average. Always. Once something is below average for 15 years isn't it time to question the average?
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models

#2751 Postby Hammy » Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:55 pm



I remember back in 2017 at the peak of the season while Irma and pre-Jose were out there it still just barely reached the climo line.
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#2752 Postby LarryWx » Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:18 pm

Fwiw (since I don't know whether there are strong implications for the tropical Atlantic), the UK and France are in the midst of another heatwave though not nearly as hot as last month's all time record heat. For example, the UK's hottest so far has been ~94 F vs ~104 F last month. But even this 94 F is still 20 F warmer than normal and is hotter than most years' hottest of each year prior to 2015. Plus, the current heatwave started yesterday (8/11) and will continue through Sun (8/14)...so a pretty good length of 4 days. In addition, SW France had a hottest of 106 F! After Sunday, it looks to end. So, even if there are implications for the Atlantic tropics, it will be over before Monday.
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#2753 Postby Ntxw » Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:00 pm

tolakram wrote:
zzh wrote::uarrow: It makes sense that 2020 tropical Atlantic had below average THDV with most of the MDR systems struggled that year.


It's always below average. Always. Once something is below average for 15 years isn't it time to question the average?


I wonder what average climo base they are using? If it is based on temperature, warming from SSTs to the layers of the atmosphere is pretty much a global thing so using a past baseline would definitely not help.
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#2754 Postby skyline385 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:48 pm

Ntxw wrote:
tolakram wrote:
zzh wrote::uarrow: It makes sense that 2020 tropical Atlantic had below average THDV with most of the MDR systems struggled that year.


It's always below average. Always. Once something is below average for 15 years isn't it time to question the average?


I wonder what average climo base they are using? If it is based on temperature, warming from SSTs to the layers of the atmosphere is pretty much a global thing so using a past baseline would definitely not help.


An update to the Instability graphic is finally incoming. It is also incredible that we have trended below the 25th percentile for July and August, that is something you would expect in a Nino year.

 https://twitter.com/AndyHazelton/status/1558205022218895362


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#2755 Postby skyline385 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:52 pm

And here's the answer to the climo being used by the original one.

 https://twitter.com/CSlocumWX/status/1558213063425376257


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#2756 Postby tolakram » Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:57 pm

It's a minor miracle, all it took was someone to note it in a tweet. :D
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#2757 Postby weeniepatrol » Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:01 pm

skyline385 wrote:And here's the answer to the climo being used by the original one.

https://twitter.com/CSlocumWX/status/1558213063425376257?s=20&t=VV-cblFO7JKO0w3ceWJnBA


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#2758 Postby Iceresistance » Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:10 pm

CPC Update, it's still there, there must be something going on.

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#2760 Postby tolakram » Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:34 pm



384 hour GFS. That's a gutsy call. :)
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