2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1161 Postby Clearcloudz » Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:44 am

What's crazy is a few days ago models were showing gulf being active during middle of August but now almost non-existent activity shown in the gulf from ensemble members.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1162 Postby REDHurricane » Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:05 am

Clearcloudz wrote:What's crazy is a few days ago models were showing gulf being active during middle of August but now almost non-existent activity shown in the gulf from ensemble members.

Interestingly, GEPS has been predicting something forming in the WCar and going up into the Gulf for at least a few days now. Looks like the rest of the models have the tropical wave crossing into the EPac first and then developing, but GEPS has it moving just slowly enough that it's able to form before it hits Central America. If it were GEFS predicting this I would say it's probably nothing, but if I remember correctly GEPS has been more conservative with regards to the CAG so far this season, so maybe it's picking up on a signal ~7-10 days out that the other models aren't. Still probably nothing, but it's something I'll be keeping an eye on.

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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1163 Postby Cpv17 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:25 am

Clearcloudz wrote:What's crazy is a few days ago models were showing gulf being active during middle of August but now almost non-existent activity shown in the gulf from ensemble members.


That was the GEFS showing that and it was over a week out. Wouldn’t take that very seriously. The GEFS has been blowing up storms in the Gulf off and on all summer.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1164 Postby aspen » Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:50 am

06z GFS spins up TS Earl off of the southeast coast next Sunday/Monday, and maybe there’s something in the central subtropics around the same time too.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1165 Postby BobHarlem » Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:03 pm

12z gfs also shows something trying to spin up near Louisiana late next week (Thur/Friday), but doesn't quite get fully going.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1166 Postby MHC Tracking » Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:25 pm

Becoming more confident that what's being depicted on models indicates the beginning of the long-prophesied "switch-flip"
 https://twitter.com/crownweather/status/1555966506793680896


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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1167 Postby crownweather » Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:16 pm

MHC Tracking wrote:Becoming more confident that what's being depicted on models indicates the beginning of the long-prophesied "switch-flip"
https://twitter.com/crownweather/status/1555966506793680896


Thanks for sharing my tweet!!!

I suspect that from here on out that we'll see the models continue to "wake up" and show a progressively more active look. I wasn't buying into the whole quiet look of the models for the next 10-16 days that they were showing even a couple of days ago. It looked weird to me and I think now we may be seeing the models finally catching onto the idea that the switch is about to be flipped. In fact, as I already mentioned, I think we'll see the models get even busier in terms of what they show over the next several days or so.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1168 Postby Clearcloudz » Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:05 pm

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Clearcloudz wrote:What's crazy is a few days ago models were showing gulf being active during middle of August but now almost non-existent activity shown in the gulf from ensemble members.

Interestingly, GEPS has been predicting something forming in the WCar and going up into the Gulf for at least a few days now. Looks like the rest of the models have the tropical wave crossing into the EPac first and then developing, but GEPS has it moving just slowly enough that it's able to form before it hits Central America. If it were GEFS predicting this I would say it's probably nothing, but if I remember correctly GEPS has been more conservative with regards to the CAG so far this season, so maybe it's picking up on a signal ~7-10 days out that the other models aren't. Still probably nothing, but it's something I'll be keeping an eye on.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gem-ens/2022080600/gem-ememb_lowlocs_atl_32.png

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gem-ens/2022080600/gem-ememb_lowlocs_atl_38.png

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gem-ens/2022080600/gem-ememb_lowlocs_atl_44.png



I agree GEPS Ensembles has consistently been showing something coming off the Western Caribbean middle of August. I went back a looked at the last 5 model cycles and it continues to show several members coming into the gulf. Here is a 12Z GEPS update with a pretty decent signal in that area. The only reason I want this to happen is Texas could really use a lot of rain.

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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1169 Postby skyline385 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:10 pm

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Clearcloudz wrote:What's crazy is a few days ago models were showing gulf being active during middle of August but now almost non-existent activity shown in the gulf from ensemble members.

Interestingly, GEPS has been predicting something forming in the WCar and going up into the Gulf for at least a few days now. Looks like the rest of the models have the tropical wave crossing into the EPac first and then developing, but GEPS has it moving just slowly enough that it's able to form before it hits Central America. If it were GEFS predicting this I would say it's probably nothing, but if I remember correctly GEPS has been more conservative with regards to the CAG so far this season, so maybe it's picking up on a signal ~7-10 days out that the other models aren't. Still probably nothing, but it's something I'll be keeping an eye on.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gem-ens/2022080600/gem-ememb_lowlocs_atl_32.png

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gem-ens/2022080600/gem-ememb_lowlocs_atl_38.png

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gem-ens/2022080600/gem-ememb_lowlocs_atl_44.png


There is a post in the Indicators thread about how there have been zero recorded CAGs in the month of August historically. So yea probably not happening.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1170 Postby WiscoWx02 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:00 pm

skyline385 wrote:
REDHurricane wrote:
Clearcloudz wrote:What's crazy is a few days ago models were showing gulf being active during middle of August but now almost non-existent activity shown in the gulf from ensemble members.

Interestingly, GEPS has been predicting something forming in the WCar and going up into the Gulf for at least a few days now. Looks like the rest of the models have the tropical wave crossing into the EPac first and then developing, but GEPS has it moving just slowly enough that it's able to form before it hits Central America. If it were GEFS predicting this I would say it's probably nothing, but if I remember correctly GEPS has been more conservative with regards to the CAG so far this season, so maybe it's picking up on a signal ~7-10 days out that the other models aren't. Still probably nothing, but it's something I'll be keeping an eye on.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gem-ens/2022080600/gem-ememb_lowlocs_atl_32.png

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gem-ens/2022080600/gem-ememb_lowlocs_atl_38.png

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gem-ens/2022080600/gem-ememb_lowlocs_atl_44.png


There is a post in the Indicators thread about how there have been zero recorded CAGs in the month of August historically. So yea probably not happening.


Yeah the odds of anything actually forming here are basically 0. The GEFS and GFS always spins up these phantom hurricanes due to bias associated with vorticity that streams off of South America into the SW Caribbean Sea if I am not mistaken. If it were showing this in October then yeah I would be a bit more behind it but would still be skeptical.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1171 Postby Nimbus » Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:23 pm

The GEPS at least has a real surface wave it is initializing.
Not sure what would pull this north into the Caribbean but lots of early season storms do move up from Panama.
No other model support but its pretty juicy down there.

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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1172 Postby Clearcloudz » Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:53 pm

EURO Ensembles coming on board (even though somewhat of a weak signal) of something coming out of the Gulf next week.
GEFS and GEPS have been showing this on its solutions as well so something to watch if the EURO future cycles pick up on this.

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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1173 Postby Cpv17 » Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:12 pm

Clearcloudz wrote:EURO Ensembles coming on board (even though somewhat of a weak signal) of something coming out of the Gulf next week.
GEFS and GEPS have been showing this on its solutions as well so something to watch if the EURO future cycles pick up on this.

https://i.imgur.com/CC2ur00.jpg


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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1174 Postby Clearcloudz » Sun Aug 07, 2022 9:19 pm

12Z ICON today

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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1175 Postby crownweather » Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:00 am

I took a look at the model guidance for today from a week ago and none of the guidance had any indication of the tropical wave now off of the coast of Africa.

My point is that it's a fool's errand to declare that hurricane season is "over" just because of the guidance not showing anything a week out.

Interestingly, the 00Z GFS model hints at three areas to watch over the next 12 to 15 days. Our east Atlantic tropical wave ; possible tropical mischief near the East Coast of the US next week and possible northern Gulf of Mexico tropical mischief also next week.

I suspect that we'll see the models continue to trend more aggressively in the days to come.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1176 Postby REDHurricane » Mon Aug 08, 2022 4:43 am

00z GEPS shows even stronger signals of development in the SW Caribbean beginning in about 5 days and this time has a storm making landfall somewhere further east closer to the Florida panhandle in around 10 days, while EPS and GEPS unanimously continue to predict zero activity in the Caribbean or Gulf during this time frame. Anyone have any idea why this is happening?


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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1177 Postby SFLcane » Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:40 am

Guys wanna track hurricanes? Barrage potentially coming if the Gefs is to be believed.

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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1178 Postby tarheelprogrammer » Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:54 am

SFLcane wrote:Guys wanna track hurricanes? Barrage potentially coming if the Gefs is to be believed.

https://i.postimg.cc/pT72VgNC/B69356-E5-2265-4910-8-C77-2-C2300-D65-AC2.gif


That is August 7th at 0z. About 5 runs back now.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1179 Postby ChrisH-UK » Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:33 am

06z GFS



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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1180 Postby SFLcane » Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:33 am

tarheelprogrammer wrote:
SFLcane wrote:Guys wanna track hurricanes? Barrage potentially coming if the Gefs is to be believed.

https://i.postimg.cc/pT72VgNC/B69356-E5-2265-4910-8-C77-2-C2300-D65-AC2.gif


That is August 7th at 0z. About 5 runs back now.


Sure lol, just showing the flip Maybe coming.
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