Why does the "I curse" exist?

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Re: Why does the "I curse" exist?

#21 Postby Chris90 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:53 pm

FireRat wrote:The I curse is certainly one of the most crazy coincidences I've witnessed over the years! Way more impactful than the #8 and #10 tropical systems...

It gets me thinking, perhaps there really is something about the #9 from a more esoteric point of view. In the old practice of Numerology, the number 9 is regarded as meaning the end of a cycle, which often leads to destruction of some type. Sure not scientific, but a fun explanation for the I curse.

Interestingly enough, in Numerology, there are other 'curses' out there involving Tropical Cyclones. The biggest one I know is something we can call the '25 Curse'.

Many, too many perhaps, of the most monstrous Tropical Cyclones around the world have bombed out on dates that either add up to 25, or contain the #25 in the day number.
Many of these went on to cause epic destruction on the same dates.

Another weird coincidence up there with the I-curse, sure makes life more interesting in an odd way :)



You could apply the 25 curse to 2005 as well. It's just 25 with two zeros in the middle, so 2005 would still add up to 7 in numerology the same way 25 would.
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Re: Why does the "I curse" exist?

#22 Postby FireRat » Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:33 am

Chris90 wrote:You could apply the 25 curse to 2005 as well. It's just 25 with two zeros in the middle, so 2005 would still add up to 7 in numerology the same way 25 would.


True indeed, that year was '25' and 20+05 = 25.
25 is part of the 7 family in Numerology but for some reason it is extremely eventful.

So far this month just 2 full dates add to 25, the 19th and now the 28th upcoming.
9.28.2022 = 9+2+8+2+0+2+2 = 25.
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Re: Why does the "I curse" exist?

#23 Postby Hurricane Mike » Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:06 am

Since about 10-12 years ago, we've also noticed and named many more storms that would have normally been overlooked, even in the early 2000s.

In 2011, Tropical Storm Franklin was barely a TS for a day. That allowed the "I" storm, "Irene", to be a major cane. It would've otherwise been Harvey.
In 2017, Tropical Storm Arlene started as a subtropical low in April, briefly becoming tropical. This could have easily been missed 20 years ago or less. That allowed the "I" name storm, "Irma". It would've otherwise been Harvey.
In 2021, "Ana" and "Danny" were both and would have been overlooked in the past, in particular, Danny named right as it came into South Carolina. That allowed "Ida" to occur. It would've otherwise been Grace or Henri.

This year, Colin and possibly even Hermine would have been overlooked in year's past, especially Colin. "Ian" would be Gaston or Hermine.
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Re: Why does the "I curse" exist?

#24 Postby FireRat » Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:27 pm

Ian enters the hall of infamy of the I curse, shocking events of today with him nearing Cat 5 strength at landfall. :crazyeyes:
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Re: Why does the "I curse" exist?

#25 Postby DioBrando » Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:46 pm

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FireRat wrote:The I curse is certainly one of the most crazy coincidences I've witnessed over the years! Way more impactful than the #8 and #10 tropical systems...

It gets me thinking, perhaps there really is something about the #9 from a more esoteric point of view. In the old practice of Numerology, the number 9 is regarded as meaning the end of a cycle, which often leads to destruction of some type. Sure not scientific, but a fun explanation for the I curse.

Speaking of the number 9, you know what else is cursed? 10L, but this time on the other side of the spectrum. A system designated 10L has never made it to major since Fabian in 2003 despite being a number that is typically assigned during peak season (and most 10Ls ended up as tropical storms). 10L has also been assigned to the most unnamed depressions as well this century (2004, 2005, 2007, 2011, 2017, 2020, and almost 2021 until that ASCAT pass made it over Kate). 2022 can add to that pattern as well, with Hermine being a shorty 40mph tropical storm that lasted a day.

Oh, and you know what? In 2017, 10L could have redeemed itself with Irma, the 10th tropical cyclone of the season. But 2017 was also the year they introduced PTCs, and you know what was assigned 10L? The infamous PTC 10, which became the first to fail to develop with a PTC label. Much like how 09Ls often overperform, 10Ls are often doomed to fail.


Idalia (10) and Harold (9) would like a word with you
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Re: Why does the "I curse" exist?

#26 Postby zhukm29 » Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:47 am

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zhukm29 wrote:
FireRat wrote:The I curse is certainly one of the most crazy coincidences I've witnessed over the years! Way more impactful than the #8 and #10 tropical systems...

It gets me thinking, perhaps there really is something about the #9 from a more esoteric point of view. In the old practice of Numerology, the number 9 is regarded as meaning the end of a cycle, which often leads to destruction of some type. Sure not scientific, but a fun explanation for the I curse.

Speaking of the number 9, you know what else is cursed? 10L, but this time on the other side of the spectrum. A system designated 10L has never made it to major since Fabian in 2003 despite being a number that is typically assigned during peak season (and most 10Ls ended up as tropical storms). 10L has also been assigned to the most unnamed depressions as well this century (2004, 2005, 2007, 2011, 2017, 2020, and almost 2021 until that ASCAT pass made it over Kate). 2022 can add to that pattern as well, with Hermine being a shorty 40mph tropical storm that lasted a day.

Oh, and you know what? In 2017, 10L could have redeemed itself with Irma, the 10th tropical cyclone of the season. But 2017 was also the year they introduced PTCs, and you know what was assigned 10L? The infamous PTC 10, which became the first to fail to develop with a PTC label. Much like how 09Ls often overperform, 10Ls are often doomed to fail.


Idalia (10) and Harold (9) would like a word with you


I blame that on the NHC retroactively numbering the January subtropical storm before the season officially started, instead of after (like they typically do with post-season reanalysis), which would have given Idalia the number 9. :lol:
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Re: Why does the "I curse" exist?

#27 Postby AnnularCane » Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:37 am

Ugh...from now on no more letting storms go unnamed. Unless MAYBE it's the last one of the season or something. I knew this was going to happen. :lol:
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Re: Why does the "I curse" exist?

#28 Postby WalterWhite » Sun Oct 08, 2023 10:56 am

Idalia (2023) and Iota (2020) should not really count as part of the "I" curse. Most "I" storms are the 9th storm of the season, but Idalia (2023) was the 10th, and Iota (2020) was the 30th.
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Re: Why does the "I curse" exist?

#29 Postby zhukm29 » Sun Oct 08, 2023 11:37 am

WalterWhite wrote:Idalia (2023) and Iota (2020) should not really count as part of the "I" curse. Most "I" storms are the 9th storm of the season, but Idalia (2023) was the 10th, and Iota (2020) was the 30th.


Which makes it even more amusing to be honest... like it shouldn't have happened, but some other factor unrelated to the tropics (e.g., not naming a storm, the main list having 21 names which made the 30th name the I name of the auxiliary list, etc.) still caused a name starting with the letter "I" to be a deadly storm. It is a "curse" after all haha :wink:
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Re: Why does the "I curse" exist?

#30 Postby HurricaneRyan » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:52 pm

Idalia may not even get retired though.
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Re: Why does the "I curse" exist?

#31 Postby DioBrando » Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:37 pm

Category5Kaiju wrote:Now that we are faced with the potential for yet another destructive and notable I storm, this really got me wondering, but why exactly does the "I curse" exist? From Irma to Ida to Ivan to Ike to Inez and so on. Why is it the letter "I" or the 9th named storm, in particular? If it was as simple as I storms typically occurring during peak season, then that does not explain why H or J storms don't have as many retirable or retired names given H and J storms typically occur during peak season too (H has 6 and J has 5, which is quite a statistical difference from the 12 with I). Is this just a statistical freak occurrence/coincidence or is there more to it than what we are seeing? I'd love to hear and see what others in S2K think.

muh I curse in 2019, the H storm > the I storm then.
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Re: Why does the "I curse" exist?

#32 Postby DioBrando » Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:38 pm

HurricaneRyan wrote:Idalia may not even get retired though.

Idalia was too cool for retirement
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