2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#521 Postby Hurricane2022 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:12 pm

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I mean, if wasn't El Nino here i'm 90 - 99% certain that 2023 would be the most active NATL season on record, surpassing 2020/2005 in TC numbers and 1933 in ACE points, not just because that waters are severely warm already in June.

.....We're VERY lucky for not having an Niña today.
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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#522 Postby Teban54 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:49 pm

Hurricane2022 wrote:

I mean, if wasn't El Nino here i'm 90 - 99% certain that 2023 would be the most active NATL season on record, surpassing 2020/2005 in TC numbers and 1933 in ACE points, not just because that waters are severely warm already in June.

.....We're VERY lucky for not having an Niña today.

FWIW, SSTs alone don't dictate seasonal activity. 2010 had the #1 or #2 warmest Atlantic MDR SSTAs on record and had a developing La Nina, yet the season "barely" reached hyperactive ACE threshold, falling well behind 2004 and 2005 in ACE, and behind 2005 and 2020 in storm counts.
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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#523 Postby zzzh » Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:52 pm


2023 has a decent meridional SST gradient, unlike years like 2021 where 26C went from 15N to 30N.
Instability will definitely be favored in the deep tropics this year.
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#524 Postby Blown Away » Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:16 am

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Conditions near the NE Caribbean, Bahamas, and CONUS dry out moving into September. July & August may be this seasons active months which would be typical for a Nino year. SFL's action during Nino years tends to be in August. JMHO
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#525 Postby SFLcane » Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:47 am

The longer we go without seeing trade winds increase in the Atlantic, the more concerning it becomes for later hurricane season activity. It’s something we’ll be following closely in the months ahead.

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#526 Postby Stormybajan » Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:01 am

A motnh ago, April 28th I said 2023 was trailing 2005 and a distance behind 2010, welp in terms of EAST ATLANTIC Heat 10N-20N from 20W-60W...I think we have to crown a new champion!! There is a 3 DEGREE above average warmpool in the 30W-40W area...INSANE!!! . Idk what this season will bring but if its anything below my 13-6-2 prediction ill be SHOCKED. Even if this season isnt active...all the more fuel for next season when Nino is no more :double: :double: :double:
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#528 Postby Monsoonjr99 » Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:50 pm

Could the wildfire smoke potentially cause cooling in the subtropics?
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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#529 Postby zzzh » Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:39 am

 https://twitter.com/catinsight/status/1667521998682226690



2010 is now dethroned. In the future we will compare MDR SST with 2023 :lol:
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#530 Postby hurricanes1234 » Sat Jun 10, 2023 12:02 pm

One week apart.

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#532 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Sat Jun 10, 2023 1:19 pm

El Nino may prevent a 2005-like season, but no doubt if a storm finds itself in a position with favorable upper-level winds, it will turn into a monster.

 https://twitter.com/EliotJacobson/status/1667571728984461312


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#533 Postby cycloneye » Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:19 pm

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#534 Postby SFLcane » Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:44 pm



If this is not an eye opener of what is to come not sure what will do. Look at the precip over the mdr! :eek:
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#535 Postby MarioProtVI » Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:18 pm

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:El Nino may prevent a 2005-like season, but no doubt if a storm finds itself in a position with favorable upper-level winds, it will turn into a monster.

https://twitter.com/EliotJacobson/status/1667571728984461312

1969 had a moderate El Niño IIRC and that season ended up being very active.
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#536 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:47 pm

An interesting thing to note about the seasons 1899 and 1951 that are being used as analogs for this year: they both featured a major hurricane before August 20.

In fact, assuming the deep tropics/Canary Current remain warm while the subtropics remain cool, I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up alleviating some of the post-2010 early-season stability issues and allows us to see a major hurricane before bell-ringing day somewhere in the basin. This season has the potential to behave unlike many seasons a lot of us might have tracked in recent times, in other words.
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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#537 Postby SFLcane » Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:30 pm

Folks look at these shear forecast! Very interesting to say the least with potential tutt even displaced further north and west. :eek: :eek:

 https://twitter.com/andyhazelton/status/1667650300985982982


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#538 Postby SFLcane » Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:38 pm

You know what those shear forecast from the Ukmet and Ecmwf deserve….

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#539 Postby cycloneye » Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:02 pm

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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#540 Postby Blown Away » Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:54 pm

:uarrow: Wouldn’t those extreme SST’s in N & E Atl lower pressures in that area and possibly displace HP farther W and possibly steer systems in W Atl farther W??
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