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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#101 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:20 am

GEFS and EPS seem to be hinting at a system developing a little over a week out. Operationals haven't jumped on board yet though but there is plenty of time for them to do so. Worth watching.
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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#102 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:06 am

GFS has jumped on development, but is long range.


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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#103 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jun 07, 2023 5:50 pm

10 days out but GFS is still alone.

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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#104 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Wed Jun 07, 2023 6:09 pm

cycloneye wrote:10 days out but GFS is still alone.

https://i.imgur.com/HifUPee.png

Still a modest signal on EPS even though the operational has nothing.
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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#105 Postby ScottNAtlanta » Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:30 pm

Average date for the first named EPAC named system is June 10th. Looks like we will pass that with no named system in the EPAC. Date of the second avg named system is June 24th. Seems to be a slow start for what is supposed to be an above average year in the EPAC
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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#106 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:01 pm

I have no idea how NHC got June 10th as average named storm start date. 1971-2020 median is May 27.
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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#107 Postby aspen » Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:58 am

ScottNAtlanta wrote:Average date for the first named EPAC named system is June 10th. Looks like we will pass that with no named system in the EPAC. Date of the second avg named system is June 24th. Seems to be a slow start for what is supposed to be an above average year in the EPAC

Maybe this season will play out somewhat like 2016, where the first EPac named storm (not counting Pali, it’s a CPac anomaly) doesn’t form until late June/early July but ushers in an active July. The main difference is that this time, we’re going from a La Niña to an El Niño and not the other way around. Also the -PMM, which I don’t think 2016 had.
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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#108 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:13 am

Well, GFS abandoned the EPAC development so we keep waiting for Adrian to form sometime this season. :D
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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#109 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:46 am

:uarrow: Signal still alive and well in the GEFS.
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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#110 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:24 am

aspen wrote:
ScottNAtlanta wrote:Average date for the first named EPAC named system is June 10th. Looks like we will pass that with no named system in the EPAC. Date of the second avg named system is June 24th. Seems to be a slow start for what is supposed to be an above average year in the EPAC

Maybe this season will play out somewhat like 2016, where the first EPac named storm (not counting Pali, it’s a CPac anomaly) doesn’t form until late June/early July but ushers in an active July. The main difference is that this time, we’re going from a La Niña to an El Niño and not the other way around. Also the -PMM, which I don’t think 2016 had.

Despite the Niña (which ended up being rather weak anyway) 2016 had a pretty hefty +PMM, in what seemed like a residual effect from the Super Niño the prior year. The setup this year looks to be the exact opposite ironically, both ENSO wise and regarding the config in the Northern Pacific.
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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#111 Postby ScottNAtlanta » Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:58 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:I have no idea how NHC got June 10th as average named storm start date. 1971-2020 median is May 27.

Their avg was 1991-2022 I believe
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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#112 Postby Blown Away » Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:02 pm

EPAC almost a month in during a Nino year and nothing?? I know GFS hinting something in the 12+ day range.
2022 EPAC had C storm in near range at this point and it was during a Nina year??
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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#113 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:07 pm

Blown Away wrote:EPAC almost a month in during a Nino year and nothing?? I know GFS hinting something in the 12+ day range.
2022 EPAC had C storm in near range at this point and it was during a Nina year??

For what it's worth CMC has two storms in the long range. There is also some EPS support for at least one storm as well, even though there is nothing on the operational Euro. I think there's a chance we could see something in another week or so.
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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#114 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:13 pm

12z GFS on day 10.

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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#115 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:56 pm

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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#116 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:35 pm

cycloneye wrote:12z GFS on day 10.

https://i.imgur.com/jRHSP4O.png


Amplified by GFS vorticity BS over Venezuela. I'd take this and especially the Atlantic system with a grain of salt, although TCG is possible given that there will be a -VP200 cell that appears to be a CCKW passing through the region at the time and upper level easterlies have finally become established across the basin (during winter, westerlies dominate, shearing the basin).
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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#117 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:06 pm

Euro has a solid vort in 10 days. Will be a good test of EPAC conditions early on.
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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#118 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:13 pm

Kingarabian wrote:Euro has a solid vort in 10 days. Will be a good test of EPAC conditions early on.


At least is a start from this model.

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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#119 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jun 09, 2023 5:50 pm

18z GFS now on day 7.

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Re: 2023 EPAC Season

#120 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:51 pm

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