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Tropical Wave in the Eastern Atlantic (Is Invest 95L)

#1 Postby cycloneye » Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:24 pm

Now that the two main models GFS and ECMWF develop this wave,it's time to have a thread for it so all the model runs can be posted here.

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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#2 Postby cycloneye » Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:36 pm

Eastern and Central Tropical Atlantic:
An area of low pressure could develop over the eastern tropical
Atlantic early next week in association with a tropical wave.
Environmental conditions could support some gradual development of
this system through the middle part of next week while it moves
westward to west-northwestward over the eastern and central portions
of the tropical Atlantic.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...low...20 percent.


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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#3 Postby Meteorcane » Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:42 pm

Looks like a pretty good setup for development (as Eric Webb detailed, better than I ever could), and this does have the potential to be a long track ACE generator. Best case scenario is it develops early like the CMC/ICON/EC deterministic solutions indicate as that should favor a relatively quick recurve. A slower development would likely keep it at a lower latitude, and make it more of a potential Carib threat late next week. Personally I think, given the favorable factors the, the deterministic GFS is a bit too bearish, but since the wave hasn't even emerged off Africa yet, I wouldn't take any scenarios off the table.
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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#4 Postby AutoPenalti » Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:45 pm

not sure which wave it is on the GFS but I'm assuming it's the larger one west of Cabo Verde on day 7, the wave east of it (1010mb) develops much later and goes towards the Eastern Caribbean

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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#5 Postby SFLcane » Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:45 pm

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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#6 Postby Iceresistance » Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:51 pm


It has 2 clusters, the one impacting the Northern Caribbean islands, and those moving away from any landfall potential.
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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#7 Postby SFLcane » Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:58 pm

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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#8 Postby galaxy401 » Thu Aug 31, 2023 1:11 pm

Going to move into the Atlantic during peak season. Could see this being a long tracker.
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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#9 Postby Stratton23 » Thu Aug 31, 2023 1:25 pm

the 12z GFS says not so fast on a recurve, again lets wait until something actually develops before claiming its a fish storm and wont effect land, that is just not a good mindset to have, their are still islands that could be hit even if this system doesnt affect the US, so people can still be effected
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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#10 Postby AutoPenalti » Thu Aug 31, 2023 1:26 pm


Trough over Bermuda. What could go wrong.
Will be an interesting couple of days in this thread.
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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#11 Postby underthwx » Thu Aug 31, 2023 1:30 pm

Makes me wonder how much rainfall the Western region of Africa receives during the summer with these waves...
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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#12 Postby Category5Kaiju » Thu Aug 31, 2023 1:59 pm

One thing I will say about the potential path of this future system is that considering Idalia is not safely recurving on out to sea but rather looking like it wants to boomerang back and threaten New England, that might indicate some decent ridging in place, which could possibly have downstream effects on this upcoming system
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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#13 Postby Stratton23 » Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:00 pm

Cycloneye could you remove my post on the other thread? It wont allow me to remove it
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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#14 Postby zzzh » Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:06 pm

12z euro has Gert survives interaction with Franklin and Jose, and dragging this wave to the north :lol:
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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#15 Postby mantis83 » Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:37 pm

upper low near bermuda should keep it away from a U.S. landfall, at this point.....
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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#16 Postby Stratton23 » Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:43 pm

mantis83 not so fast their, the euro 12z had the upper level low backing away to the south and ridging following the system to its north, end of its run their is a bit more ridging and not really a big trough to come turn it out to sea
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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#17 Postby AutoPenalti » Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:48 pm

mantis83 wrote:upper low near bermuda should keep it away from a U.S. landfall, at this point.....

No. It moves away.
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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#18 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu Aug 31, 2023 3:02 pm

The 12zGFS is in the Caribbean at day 10 while the Euro seems to be safely recurving west of Bermuda. May have to watch next week to see what may happen as this starts to go into the Atlantic
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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#19 Postby Stratton23 » Thu Aug 31, 2023 3:43 pm

Idalia will have a massive effect on the upper level steering pattern, if it stalls and hangs around longer off of new england, that will allow for this next system to safely recurve out to sea, however if idalia exits the picture faster, that will give more time for upper level ridging to build back in and potentially force this system towards the US
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Re: Tropical Wave in West Africa that may develop

#20 Postby ScottNAtlanta » Thu Aug 31, 2023 5:27 pm

Stratton23 wrote:the 12z GFS says not so fast on a recurve, again lets wait until something actually develops before claiming its a fish storm and wont effect land, that is just not a good mindset to have, their are still islands that could be hit even if this system doesnt affect the US, so people can still be effected

GFS has a bias for recurves, so if it isn't recurving...it will, only to correct back west
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