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#181 Postby HollynLA » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:56 pm

wxmann_91 wrote:Damage in Sandy Bay, one of the towns north of Puerto Cabezas:

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Source: http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/09/ ... tion=world


I have a question about this image. Isn't Sandy Bay where the eye passed? If so, would they have received the worst of the winds? I'm wondering how that house still has a roof on it (red roof) and how the road/bridge in the upper right side is still there? It doesn't look like the most solid of construction to begin with. I'm wondering how these things survived cat 4/5 winds? The roof is usually the first thing to go and I'm shocked to see one still there.
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Re: Felix Aftermath=Over 100 dead-Hundreds are missing

#182 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:56 pm

Are those houses steal inforced with cement? Because that area was hit by a cat5 hurricane.
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#183 Postby Coredesat » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:58 pm

cycloneye wrote:http://www.elnuevodiario.com.ni/2007/09/06/nacionales/58253

The description in that report at link is of a acuatic cemetary.The situation in Sandy Bay is very grave according to authorities.


Ho...ly...crap. That's terrible. :eek:
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#184 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:01 pm

the houses could have roofs if they were not in the wind streaks.

Hurricane damage is NOT uniform, it is in streaks. Mobile homes have survived outside of the streaks, even cat 4s and 5s
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#185 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:06 pm

The coastal deaths should serve as another reminder to EVACUATE WHEN ORDERED

Maybe the mods/admins should place this in big bold type at the top of the forum AND the homepage... just in the event someone comes across this site during a cane event, maybe we could help them get the message
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#186 Postby wxmann_91 » Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:10 pm

HollynLA wrote:
wxmann_91 wrote:Damage in Sandy Bay, one of the towns north of Puerto Cabezas:

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Source: http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/09/ ... tion=world


I have a question about this image. Isn't Sandy Bay where the eye passed? If so, would they have received the worst of the winds? I'm wondering how that house still has a roof on it (red roof) and how the road/bridge in the upper right side is still there? It doesn't look like the most solid of construction to begin with. I'm wondering how these things survived cat 4/5 winds? The roof is usually the first thing to go and I'm shocked to see one still there.

Good question. I'm not sure where Sandy Bay is but it does look like it got hit by some of the eyewall. I suspect the surge may have actually been high enough to cover up all the structures in that area, "shielding" them from the wind, so to speak.

The reason that Felix killed so many is the hurricane was so dang fast moving and moved much further south than expected. Hurricane Warnings only down to Puerto Cabezas, as late as only 6 hr before landfall. Perhaps being on the edge of the warning convinced the people in that area that everything would be fine? The Nicaragua govt finally issued a TS Warning to the south of Puerto Cabezas about 6 hr before landfall.

Of course, distrust of the govt and the lack of available places to evacuate doesn't help a lot either.
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Re: Felix Aftermath=Over 100 dead-Hundreds are missing

#187 Postby Dionne » Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:42 pm

The remaining roof in question.....the red roof....is hipped.....it's not a full gable end. Hip roofs are much stronger, especially when they are skinned with metal. And who knows? There is always the possibility some sort of hurricane straps were used during construction. And.....the roof only looks like it's still good.....no telling what a close inspection would discover. Look even closer......livestock survived. My first thought is that cat4/5 winds did not happen in this pic.
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#188 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:03 pm

A translation I received from another board from the article

Los muertos flotan en el mar y la gente se sumerge para sacarlos, pero luego se dan cuenta de que son muchos y no tienen la fuerza para recuperarlos a todos

The dead float in the sea and people that submerge to recover them later realize that they are too many and that they do not have the strenght to recover all the bodies
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#189 Postby fasterdisaster » Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:11 pm

Like Derek said, I think the reason that in a lot of place there is NOTHING and in others there are houses and streets intact is that damage isn't the same everywhere in all hurricanes, and the standing houses may have gotten lucky. I've seen many areas where it looks like a war zone with random houses standing every block or so in Andrew.
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#190 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:31 pm

This picture is from Andrew:

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The scene is catastrophic but there you can see that some houses survived with just a few damages.
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Re: Felix Aftermath=Over 100 dead-Hundreds are missing

#191 Postby artist » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:03 pm

can someone translate this for me?

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Mil 200 viviendas devastadas en Puerto Cabezas; 3 mil 500 en Sandy Bay; 180 en Krukina y 125 en Cuabí. 35 mil 35 personas se encontraban afectadas en toda la región.Foto END




http://www.elnuevodiario.com.ni/2007/09 ... felix/6513

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#192 Postby fasterdisaster » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:07 pm

artist wrote:can someone translate this for me?

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Mil 200 viviendas devastadas en Puerto Cabezas; 3 mil 500 en Sandy Bay; 180 en Krukina y 125 en Cuabí. 35 mil 35 personas se encontraban afectadas en toda la región.Foto END




http://www.elnuevodiario.com.ni/2007/09 ... felix/6513

thanks in advance.


I know enough Spanish to translate most articles:

1,200 homes were devastated in Puerto Cabezas; 3,500 in Sandy Bay; 180 in Krukina and 125 in Cuabi. 35,035 people were affected in total across the region. Photo(Talking about the one in the article I presume)
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#193 Postby artist » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:22 pm

so even though it says mil in front of the number it isn't millions? Just wondering and thanks for the rest of the translation.
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#194 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:30 pm

artist wrote:so even though it says mil in front of the number it isn't millions? Just wondering and thanks for the rest of the translation.


"Mil" is Spanish for "Thousand."

Just like 1 meter = 1000 millimeters

Same mil!!!

In the Roman numbers also "M" is equal to a 1000.

For millions in Spanish is "millones."
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#195 Postby fasterdisaster » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:36 pm

Yep.
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#196 Postby Chacor » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:41 pm

It's similar en français, too... "mille" for "thousand" and "million" for the same thing.
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Re: Felix Aftermath=Over 100 dead-Hundreds are missing

#197 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:58 pm

U.S. military joins search for Felix's victims; death toll nears 100
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PUERTO CABEZAS, Nicaragua (AP) — The death toll from Hurricane Felix neared 100 Thursday night as U.S., Honduran and Nicaraguan soldiers searched remote jungle beaches and the open sea for survivors and the dead. Villagers in canoes helped, paddling through waters thick with fallen trees.

Two days after the storm hit, dozens more bodies were recovered along the Miskito coastline that stretches across the Nicaragua-Honduras border, many found floating in the sea, emergency officials said.

Abelino Cox, a spokesman for the Regional Emergency Committee, said the death toll from Felix had risen to at least 98. The previous toll was at least 65 dead.

The storm also destroyed the ethnic Zumo and Mayagna Indian community of Awastingni, located 88 kilometres northwest of Puerto Cabezas, Cox said. Fourteen people from there were missing.

"This is horrifying," said committee official Brooklin Rivera, who lives in the area.

Felix damaged or destroyed 8,000 houses in and around Puerto Cabezas and 18,000 Nicaraguans are living in shelters, civil defense officials said.

Many of the victims were Miskito Indians who had tried to flee the Category 5 hurricane. Officials believed more dead would be found by teams combing the coast stretching across the Nicaragua-Honduras border.

At least 32 people were still missing after their village was destroyed and the boats they fled in capsized. Many of the 52 survivors who washed ashore or were found clinging to debris were being treated for dehydration in the seaside Honduran village of Villeda Morales.

Rescue and aid was arriving slowly in the impoverished region, where descendants of Indians, European settlers and African slaves live in stilt homes on island reefs and in small hamlets, surviving by fishing and diving for lobster.

Interviewed by phone from the area, Honduran Col. Saul Orlando Coca told The Associated Press that U.S. and Honduran military personnel were patrolling the sea and inlets with helicopters and boats while soldiers walked the shore on foot.

The ocean was filled with debris, preventing a rescue mission from going ashore at Sandy Bay, Nicaragua, the village where the eye of Felix made landfall with catastrophic 260 km/h winds and a storm surge estimated at 5.5 metres above normal tides.

From a distance, rescue teams could see fallen palm trees, roofless concrete structures and wooden homes reduced to splinters at Sandy Bay. Women on the shore wept in anguish.

Food and fuel were scarce as emergency aid was airlifted into the hard-hit regional capital of Puerto Cabezas, a town difficult to reach even in good weather.

Throughout the region, people were short of food and fresh water. An AP photographer reached one isolated village where the only thing to drink was the water in fallen coconuts.

The Nicaraguan government said it would need at least US$30 million to rebuild.

The U.S. Southern Command sent an amphibious warship, the USS Wasp, to help co-ordinate American relief efforts. Venezuela also sent aid, and 57 Cuban doctors and nurses already on medical missions along the Miskito coast pitched in.

Felix developed very quickly over the warm waters of the southern Caribbean, and Nicaragua posted a hurricane warning less than 24 hours before it hit the coast.

Officials had scrambled to notify the remote, autonomous region where many people have a long-standing mistrust of the Nicaraguan government. Few realized the storm would grow to a Category 5 hurricane so quickly, and some who were warned didn't believe it would be so dangerous.

By Thursday, Felix was nothing more than a steady rain in the southern Mexican state of Chiapas, but swollen rivers and soggy, unstable mountainsides kept thousands of people from their homes in Central America.

In Honduras, officials said a 15-year-old was buried by mud while trying to repair a water line in Tegucigalpa, a 34-year-old man drowned in a ditch in El Progreso, and a pregnant woman in Tegucigalpa died when a river flooded. It wasn't immediately clear if the three deaths were included in the death toll of 98 provided by Cox.

The remnants of Henriette, meanwhile, dumped rain on Arizona and New Mexico. That hurricane hit Mexico on Tuesday near Cabo San Lucas at the southern tip of the Baja California peninsula and again on Wednesday near the port of Guaymas, before weakening over the Sonoran desert.

It left 10 dead, including a man who fell while trying to repair his roof. One woman drowned in high surf in Cabo San Lucas, and landslides buried six people in Acapulco as Henriette moved up the Pacific Coast.

Some 5,000 people woke up in Mexican shelters Thursday. San Carlos, a beach town near Guaymas packed with American retirees, was among those hit.

"Waves reached up to the boulevard," said resident Fatima Reyes, 23. "It blew away roofing, trees and signs."

Mexican navy Capt. Leopoldo Mendoza said a helicopter was searching the Bay of La Paz for a small boat missing since Tuesday in Henriette's high seas with two Mexicans and two Japanese citizens on board.

http://canadianpress.google.com/article ... eLL990M_Dw
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Re: Felix Aftermath=Over 100 dead-Hundreds are missing

#198 Postby HURAKAN » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:37 am

Death toll hits 98 for hurricane Felix Sep 7 2007
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news ... _page.html

US, Honduran and Nicaraguan soldiers searched remote jungle beaches and the open sea for survivors and bodies after Hurricane Felix claimed at least 98 lives, many of them Miskito Indians who died fleeing the Category 5 storm.

Two days after the storm hit, dozens more bodies were recovered yesterday along the Miskito coastline that stretches across the Nicaragua-Honduras border, including at least 44 Indian fishermen whose bodies were found floating at sea, emergency officials said.

Abelino Cox, a spokesman for the Regional Emergency Committee, said the death toll from Felix had risen to 98, including two people killed in the village of Sing Sing, 40 miles north of Puerto Cabezas.

The storm also destroyed the ethnic Zumo and Mayagna Indian community of Awastingni, 55 miles north west of Puerto Cabezas, Cox said. Fourteen members of the jungle community were missing.

Felix damaged or destroyed nearly 8,000 houses in and around Puerto Cabezas and 18,000 Nicaraguans were living in shelters, civil defence chiefs said.

In Puerto Cabezas, about 500 people crowded on to a pier overlooking the beach where 13 bloated bodies that rescuers fished out of the sea had been laid out on black tarpaulins. Some tried to rush down a small wooden stairway on to the beach but were held back by more than a dozen police officers as forensic specialists inspected the corpses.

Earlier, rescuers found at least 25 bodies floating in waters off Honduras’ coast and another 32 people were still missing after their village was destroyed and the boats they fled on capsized. Some 52 survivors washed ashore or were found clinging to debris. The 25 bodies were included in the death toll of 98.

Aid was arriving slowly in the region, where descendants of Indians, European settlers and African slaves live in stilt homes on island reefs and in small hamlets, surviving by fishing and diving for lobster.

Honduran Col Saul Orlando Coca said US and Honduran military officials were patrolling the sea and inlets with helicopters and boats as soldiers walked beaches on foot. Villagers joined the search, paddling their canoes through waters thick with fallen trees.

Throughout the region, those who survived the storm lacked food and fresh water. A photographer reached one isolated village where the only thing to drink was the water in fallen coconuts.

The Nicaraguan government said it would need at least £15 million to rebuild.

The US Southern Command sent an amphibious warship, the USS Wasp, to Nicaragua to help co-ordinate US relief efforts. Venezuela also sent aid and 57 Cuban doctors and nurses already on medical missions along the Miskito coast helped.

Felix developed very quickly over the deep warm waters of the southern Caribbean. Nicaragua posted a hurricane warning less than 24 hours before it hit the coast, and scrambled to notify the remote, autonomous region where many have a long-standing mistrust of the central government.

Few realised the storm would grow to a Category 5 hurricane so quickly, and some who were warned did not believe it would be so dangerous.

The remnants of Henriette, meanwhile, dumped rain on Arizona and New Mexico yesterday. That hurricane hit Mexico on Tuesday and Wednesday, near Cabo San Lucas and again near the port city of Guaymas, then weakened over the Sonoran desert.

It left 10 dead, including a man who fell while trying to repair his roof. One woman drowned in high surf in Cabo San Lucas, and landslides buried six people in Acapulco as Henriette marched up the Pacific Coast.
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#199 Postby Derek Ortt » Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:33 am

has anyone heard anything from the interior?

I have heard of a few deaths from mudslides in Honduras, but there still is not much word coming from the areas affected by the mudslides
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Re: Felix Aftermath=100 dead-Hundreds are missing

#200 Postby apocalypt-flyer » Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:16 am

Didn't hear anything about the interior areas. Information will slowly come in and the death toll will rise over the next few days I suppose (and fear), for we've only seen a part of the damage. :(
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