ATL: IAN - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1101 Postby Nimbus » Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:51 pm

floridasun wrote:
AJC3 wrote:How it started...

AJC3 wrote:'The center hasn't even formed yet' talk is quickly on its way to becoming null and void from here on out. In fact, this morning's scatterometer data (13Z-14Z) and satellite derived winds showed a pretty well-defined surface-850MB vorticity center that should have gone into the initialization of the 18Z model guidance, and I suspect it will be at least as well-defined in the upcoming 00Z runs. How well the model guidance initializes it is another matter, however we're at the point now where we have a decent LL center fix to work with.



How it's going... :oops:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdchKbjWYAcsH5j?format=png&name=900x900

look like other center nw of southern low?


Its like a twin cyclone engine, has a central rotation that will become dominant fairly soon.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1102 Postby BobHarlem » Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:58 pm

5pm center is 14.3N 77.0W So pretty big jump west from 2pm 75.8W and almost as north as that recent recon area was showing.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1103 Postby galaxy401 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:01 pm

NHC now forecasting a Cat 4 in the Gulf...
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Got my eyes on moving right into Hurricane Alley: Florida.

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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1104 Postby eastcoastFL » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:03 pm

The track beyond day 3 is extremely uncertain based on 5 pm disco:

The aircraft data suggest the center could be re-forming slightly
west of previous estimates, so the initial motion is an uncertain
265/14 kt. Ian is expected to move westward through early Sunday
before turning northwestward around the southwestern periphery of a
ridge to the north. A north-northwestward to northward motion is
forecast on Monday and Tuesday as the center of Ian passes near or
over the western tip of Cuba and emerges over the southeastern Gulf
of Mexico. Overall, the westward trend in the track models
continues, with the latest GFS on the far left side of the guidance
envelope and the ECMWF on the right edge. The track forecast is
still highly uncertain at days 4-5, with the GFS and ECMWF positions
about 200 n mi apart by 96 h. There is significant spread noted even
among the GFS ensemble members, with positions that range from the
north-central Gulf of Mexico to the west coast of Florida.
Hopefully, data collected from special radiosonde releases and a
NOAA G-IV flight this evening will help better resolve the steering
flow around Ian and the deep-layer trough that is forecast to be
over the eastern U.S. early next week. The latest NHC track forecast
is once again adjusted westward, and further adjustments may be
needed given the increased uncertainty in the day 3-5 period.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1105 Postby gatorcane » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:10 pm

All of SE Florida out of the latest track.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1106 Postby Frank P » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:12 pm

gatorcane wrote:All of SE Florida out of the latest track.


For now, let’s see in a couple of days who is in the cone or not.
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#1107 Postby skyline385 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:14 pm

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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1108 Postby ConvergenceZone » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:23 pm

You can tell by the satellite that it's going to undergo some rapid intensification soon. The overall shape and outflow just look too damn good.....
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1109 Postby ChrisH-UK » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:24 pm

The structure of Ian is still forming, some banding is starting to occur but no eye or center can be seen in the cloud structure yet.

GOES-16 Red Band + Optical Depth - https://col.st/X671D

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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1110 Postby Teban54 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:27 pm

AJC3 wrote:
Blown Away wrote:
AJC3 wrote:How it started...



How it's going... :oops:

What about @15/77 the convection has been bubbling for hours around there?


Yep. Peristent shear really caused problems for what had been a pretty well-defined vort center coming off the N coast of SOAM. Obivously, it wasn't (and isn't) done consolidating.

We should really be thankful for Fiona's outflow causing the shear. If not, Ian may have been well on its way of bombing out now.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1111 Postby psyclone » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:41 pm

That 5 PM jump west was enough to start reducing the wind probs on the west coast. I just want some surf and an offshore breeze. Is there enough time for that? Maybe. If we keep ticking west over subsequent forecast cycles...we have the time for just that. I remember when Dorian had "bankable" wind probs too...far higher than Ian...and we ended with a giant nothing...after people cleaned out the stores and emptied gas pumps in a panic. Still a long ways to go here..
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1112 Postby Keldeo1997 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:01 pm

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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1113 Postby hiflyer » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:06 pm

Right now it’s “no center-no bueno”
And
What data got into ICON?…

Bout time the GIV showed up…the 5am could be ‘interesting’
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1114 Postby wxman57 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:08 pm

Cat 4 in the Gulf may be optimistic/pessimistic, depends on how you look at it. I do notice they weaken Ian to a Cat 2 prior to landfall. Could weaken to Cat 1 if it takes NHC's track. NHC's 5-day point is almost on top of mine. I'm excellent at predicting what the NHC will do. Now, if I could only transfer that ability to predicting exactly where the hurricane will go...

OK, the end! Started 12 1/2 hours ago today. Time for rest.
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#1115 Postby Keldeo1997 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:14 pm

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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1116 Postby pgoss11 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:15 pm

wxman57 wrote:Cat 4 in the Gulf may be optimistic/pessimistic, depends on how you look at it. I do notice they weaken Ian to a Cat 2 prior to landfall. Could weaken to Cat 1 if it takes NHC's track. NHC's 5-day point is almost on top of mine. I'm excellent at predicting what the NHC will do. Now, if I could only transfer that ability to predicting exactly where the hurricane will go...

OK, the end! Started 12 1/2 hours ago today. Time for rest.

You deserve the break. Thanks for all you do in contributing your expertise to this forum. Appreciated!
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1117 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:25 pm

wxman57 wrote:Cat 4 in the Gulf may be optimistic/pessimistic, depends on how you look at it. I do notice they weaken Ian to a Cat 2 prior to landfall. Could weaken to Cat 1 if it takes NHC's track. NHC's 5-day point is almost on top of mine. I'm excellent at predicting what the NHC will do. Now, if I could only transfer that ability to predicting exactly where the hurricane will go...

OK, the end! Started 12 1/2 hours ago today. Time for rest.


Hey Chris, you should work in NHC. No, just kidding. Get a good rest as long days are ahead.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1118 Postby eastcoastFL » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:31 pm

Running out of time for visible imagery today just when it’s getting good

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Re: ATL: IAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1119 Postby eastcoastFL » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:38 pm

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