ATL: IAN - Post-Tropical - Discussion

[HurricaneBelle]

Looking at this short list… it’s clear the curse of the “I” names holds weight

There is no "I curse" - I is the 9th letter of the alphabet and therefore is almost always a September storm near the peak of the season. One could also say there's a "M curse" (Maria, Michael, Matthew, Mitch, etc)

[PandaCitrus]

This is an in-depth aerial tour of Fort Myers Beach from the FOX station in Fort Myers. It's absolutely insane and also shows major structural damage on some of the condos with the entire concrete roof gone. Looked like Hurricane Andrew type wind damage, obviously an older structure. Thank god for the Florida Building code after Hurricane Andrew. Looking from this video it would not surprise me in the least if Fort Myers Beach got 20 or more feet of surge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FtgT9RPWCA

[toad strangler]

There is no "I curse" - I is the 9th letter of the alphabet and therefore is almost always a September storm near the peak of the season. One could also say there's a "M curse" (Maria, Michael, Matthew, Mitch, etc)

Agree. Personally, it’s a ridiculous topic. If anything, A storms like Andrew have much more significance being the first letter. Even then there is absolutely no meteorological value whatsoever in the topic.

[PandaCitrus]

NOAA Hurricane Ian aerial damage imagery if anyone wants to search for their home.

https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/ian/ ... 6/-81.9935

[Category5Kaiju]

I remember even early this season and throughout 2021's and 2020's hurricane seasons, how many South Floridians, including those on the west coast, have frequently raved about how lucky they have been with the "Florida Shield" in particular. Ian imho was such a frightening and incredible storm as it basically shattered the "Florida Shield" concept to pieces and really demonstrated how luck can only go so far to protect people from hurricanes.

I also applaud wxman57 for his early warnings that Florida was at an elevated risk of a major storm this year. With the persistent East Coast troughing this year, imho, it was really only a matter of time before something took advantage of that and the warm ssts to really blow up and recurve northward toward the Florida vicinity. Ian unfortunately did just that.

[Sciencerocks]

[Teban54]

 https://twitter.com/DrKimWood/status/1576006953448636417

[Category5Kaiju]

https://twitter.com/DrKimWood/status/1576006953448636417?t=laG5_kf_2A4YECCEWEUgQQ&s=19

Wow. Absolutely jaw-dropping. Especially the 22-second mark. It took within one animation second for Ian to go from 140 mph to 155 mph and to clear out that horrific eye.

Ian will join the likes of Charley and Andrew as a name Floridians will never want to hear again.

[BobHarlem]

I75 north of Ft. Myers around North Port is closed due to river Myakka Flooding, and so are multiple alternate routes (41, 72, 70) to there. The river rises are going to hamper the relief efforts even after the storm is gone. Unconfirmed reports that the I75 bridge over Myakka collapsed, but not sure if that's true.

[Coolcruiseman]

According to news reports it's the river rising to a level that is making the I75 bridge in the Northport area basically unsafe or unstable. All the runoff from the heavy rains farther north?

[Iceresistance]

I75 north of Ft. Myers around North Port is closed due to river Myakka Flooding, and so are multiple alternate routes (41, 72, 70) to there. The river rises are going to hamper the relief efforts even after the storm is gone. Unconfirmed reports that the I75 bridge over Myakka collapsed, but not sure if that's true.

Did not collapse, but it's indeed shut down because of the rising river from the runoff being fed into it.

[galaxy401]

Death toll up to 45 in Florida now according to CNN.

[typhoonty]

After tracking Ian, I think I've really come to realization on how terrifying storm surge is.

When you imagine the textbook picture of hurricane destruction, you would think that it was because of the wind. No. It's storm surge that causes such a kind of destruction. No wonder why the destruction left by a powerful hurricane almost looks like a tsunami destruction.

So this means the category should be determined by the amount of water it moves i.e. IKE, and not SSHWS.

[PTPatrick]

After tracking Ian, I think I've really come to realization on how terrifying storm surge is.

When you imagine the textbook picture of hurricane destruction, you would think that it was because of the wind. No. It's storm surge that causes such a kind of destruction. No wonder why the destruction left by a powerful hurricane almost looks like a tsunami destruction.

Storm surge is the most destructive thing apart from the winds in a powerful hurricane.

Yep if you look at pictures of the Mississippi gulf cost after Katrina it was almost wiped clean for 80 miles, and most of it was surge not wind, similarly to fort Meyrs beach, sanibel, and pine island. The force of wind driven water and battering waves will tear most non-concrete structures apart at some point. Then debris starts doing a number on what’s left. Often it’s better a few blocks off beach, not necessarily because the water is always lower, but because the beach structures and vegetation take the wave hits. Oddly concrete bridges don’t usually fair well either. Pensacola bay bridge post-Ivan and the biloxi bridge after Katrina took similar damage to some of the island bridges around fort Meyers.

I haven’t seen many pictures of Cape Coral or city of fort Myers but I assume they are mostly intact but flooded structures given the relative protection from the ocean front. Cape Coral looks like Venice in satellite pictures but I have never been there. It’s a big city that’s bound to be a mess unless surge underperformed there?

[Teban54]

So Ian copied the location and intensity of Charley's both landfalls... Not just the Florida landfall.
 https://twitter.com/HurricaneManWx/status/1575960270559903745

[Steve]

Where the **** is Bones? Enough of Ian.

[StAuggy]

There is no "I curse" - I is the 9th letter of the alphabet and therefore is almost always a September storm near the peak of the season. One could also say there's a "M curse" (Maria, Michael, Matthew, Mitch, etc)

Agree. Personally, it’s a ridiculous topic. If anything, A storms like Andrew have much more significance being the first letter. Even then there is absolutely no meteorological value whatsoever in the topic.

There wouldn’t be any meteorological value since it’s not a meteorological phenomenon… it’s a strange coincidence. There could easily be more horrible G, H, J or K names given the “peak of season” timing.

Ian will be the 14th “I” name retired in the Atlantic. The next closet letters are both 9, C and F.

[toad strangler]

I remember even early this season and throughout 2021's and 2020's hurricane seasons, how many South Floridians, including those on the west coast, have frequently raved about how lucky they have been with the "Florida Shield" in particular. Ian imho was such a frightening and incredible storm as it basically shattered the "Florida Shield" concept to pieces and really demonstrated how luck can only go so far to protect people from hurricanes.

I also applaud wxman57 for his early warnings that Florida was at an elevated risk of a major storm this year. With the persistent East Coast troughing this year, imho, it was really only a matter of time before something took advantage of that and the warm ssts to really blow up and recurve northward toward the Florida vicinity. Ian unfortunately did just that.

The Florida shield was a completely tongue in cheek thing. At least it was for me. I refuse to believe anybody actually believed that side banter.

As for ‘57, he pretty much nailed where this storm was going right from his first post on it and never waffled under the pressure of the model huggers.

[SecondBreakfast]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/30/us/h ... -ios-share

Pretty damning assessment of Lee County officials’ actions/inactions here…

[tolakram]

Damn, that is a brutal assessment. Most importantly they violated their own rules. They were looking at modeling AND violating their own risk rules. That is a really ugly situation.