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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#381 Postby HurricaneWarning92 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:25 pm

Hey guys, long time no post. Been lurking the forums though. I live in Broward. Been watching this wave since day 1. Already alerted my parents to start prepping just in case, because ya never know. Got a BS degree in atmos. science, but you guys have wayy more experience. Love to see everyone’s posts specially SFLcane, Ustropics, of course wxman57, Aric Dunn, GCane, and the list goes on, can’t list everyone :lol: but anyways. This *might* rival Wilma if does hook NE like some of the Euro/ensembles show. But still a little too early to know. Needs to form first. Like you all, interesting days ahead!
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#382 Postby ConvergenceZone » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:28 pm

galaxy401 wrote:Finally starting to improve now. Should really start picking up tomorrow.



yep. Convection looking real nice now compared to earlier. Originally I was thinking a depression on Saturday, but based on how it's steadily improving, I'm thinking a depression tomorrow....
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#383 Postby StAuggy » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:31 pm

Hurricane Mike wrote:I think the further east this goes, the stronger. If it mills in the Gulf too long interacting with the trough, it'll weaken more prior to landfall. It's also possible further east movement with the trough could allow it to strengthen similar to Charley or Wilma on their approach to Florida.


This was a slight concern based on the early model path projections. A NE landfall direction means the chance exists for a trough to help the storm rather than hinder it.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#384 Postby ronjon » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:32 pm

Things won't really get hopping at the stores until NHC puts out their 5 day track. Most people aren't like us weather nerds that plan our day for 00z, 06z, 12z, and 18z model runs. :lol:
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#385 Postby wxman57 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:32 pm

Hurricane Mike wrote:I think the further east this goes, the stronger. If it mills in the Gulf too long interacting with the trough, it'll weaken more prior to landfall. It's also possible further east movement with the trough could allow it to strengthen similar to Charley or Wilma on their approach to Florida.


I think the opposite. The farther east it goes, it's because it's encountering strong westerly winds aloft (shear). In addition, it would cut across some tall mountains in Cuba. Might peak east of Florida in that case.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#386 Postby Category5Kaiju » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:34 pm

TallyTracker wrote:
eastcoastFL wrote:
IsabelaWeather wrote:

Wilma didn't miss FL to the south either.


Did Wilma turn on a dime? I know she was moving fast but I thought it was always forecast to hit S. Fl

Now Charlie turned on a dime for sure.


Wilma stalled out over Cancun and Cozumel for 36 hours before a very strong front grabbed it a shot the hurricane NE rapidly. This trough won’t be that strong. Wilma was also 3 weeks later in the year. I expect a more gradual turn like Charley or Ivan.


If I am not mistaken, storms that miss Florida to the east despite being in the Caribbean typically happen in late October or November (Cuba 1932 hurricane for example) when troughs really become strong; this trough doesn't seem to really have indications of being that exceptional
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#387 Postby beachnut » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:34 pm

eastcoastFL wrote:
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cane5 wrote:
Just curious Wilma turned on a dime and quickly what caused that ?



Wilma didn't miss FL to the south either.


Did Wilma turn on a dime? I know she was moving fast but I thought it was always forecast to hit S. Fl

Now Charlie turned on a dime for sure.


I don't remember being surprised by Wilma's arrival as I had put the shutters up the day before. I was surprised by the baroclinic forcing on the backside though, that was unexpected. Charley only surprised me in that it turned right at us, but we had the shutters up for that one too, thank God!

We have a nice giclee canvas photo of the Sanibel lighthouse in our living room. When we bought it a few years ago the shop said that photo was taken the day before Wilma hit. It was a beautiful and serene day.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#388 Postby Poonwalker » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:35 pm

JaxGator wrote:Hey guys, it’s been awhile. Hope everyone is doing well. Watching this one closely. I was thinking that 98L/future Hermine’s potential path “could” be similar to the Cedar Key Hurricane of 1896 (It’s one analog that I could find besides the Tampa Bay Hurricane of 1921). That hurricane did form further north than 98L is currently located, but the path after that once it gets to Jamaica eerily looks similar to some of the more east leaning forecast models atm.

The hurricane also formed on September 22nd and made landfall on September 29th. A hurricane of similar strength and path would not bode well for the folks living on n the Florida West Coast depending on the size. That would bring the dirty side of the hurricane and storm surge up the coast/the peninsula. I pray not. The large scale weather pattern at the time might have been similar too considering the hurricane started to accelerate upon entering the Gulf.

Yeah I checked those two out and both were end of September Canes with very similar origins to what we are seeing right now with this one. There was also the September 25th 1848 Tampa Hurricane but early tracks were not available when it came in from the gulf. That one was 954mb when it hit and put 15 feet of water on pinellas county. In my opinion the worst outcome would be a tarpon springs hit by a major. I don’t think people realize how much water would pile up over that shallow shelf and compound even higher as it funnels into the Bay Area. Let’s pray it doesn’t happen cause insurance would go through the roof and much of the landscape would never be the same.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#389 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:37 pm

Should be TD ..
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#390 Postby SFLcane » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:39 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:Should be TD ..


Engines ready!

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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#391 Postby ConvergenceZone » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:41 pm

wxman57 wrote:
Hurricane Mike wrote:I think the further east this goes, the stronger. If it mills in the Gulf too long interacting with the trough, it'll weaken more prior to landfall. It's also possible further east movement with the trough could allow it to strengthen similar to Charley or Wilma on their approach to Florida.


I think the opposite. The farther east it goes, it's because it's encountering strong westerly winds aloft (shear). In addition, it would cut across some tall mountains in Cuba. Might peak east of Florida in that case.


So does this mean that you think it's going to stay East of Florida? Let's hope so! That would be great news if that happens.........
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#392 Postby Category5Kaiju » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:43 pm

How exactly common do you get hurricanes in the Caribbean that recurve but miss Florida to the east during late September? Echoing off of my earlier comment, isn't that kind of track more of a late October/November thing?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#393 Postby cane5 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:45 pm

eastcoastFL wrote:
IsabelaWeather wrote:
cane5 wrote:
Just curious Wilma turned on a dime and quickly what caused that ?



Wilma didn't miss FL to the south either.


Nobody was talking about Wilma it was in the Yucatán then the next thing you know we had to get ready in Miami, first hit Naples and crossed over…

Did Wilma turn on a dime? I know she was moving fast but I thought it was always forecast to hit S. Fl

Now Charlie turned on a dime for sure.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#394 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:46 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:Should be TD ..


If current organization continues this should be a depression maybe even a storm by the time recon gets there
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#395 Postby skyline385 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:46 pm

TD or even TS incoming

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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#396 Postby ScottNAtlanta » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:46 pm

SFLcane wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:Should be TD ..


Engines ready!

https://i.postimg.cc/c1BQ33Hf/8-F4-E0364-2794-4-A8-F-B069-2-B76-B10-A8-FBD.gif


I am starting to think the GFS developing the south end of the wave is right as opposed to the Euro trying to spin up the top. It looks like the spin is already started on the south end
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#397 Postby eastcoastFL » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:47 pm

beachnut wrote:
eastcoastFL wrote:
IsabelaWeather wrote:

Wilma didn't miss FL to the south either.


Did Wilma turn on a dime? I know she was moving fast but I thought it was always forecast to hit S. Fl

Now Charlie turned on a dime for sure.


I don't remember being surprised by Wilma's arrival as I had put the shutters up the day before. I was surprised by the baroclinic forcing on the backside though, that was unexpected. Charley only surprised me in that it turned right at us, but we had the shutters up for that one too, thank God!

We have a nice giclee canvas photo of the Sanibel lighthouse in our living room. When we bought it a few years ago the shop said that photo was taken the day before Wilma hit. It was a beautiful and serene day.


Yes, Wilma and the back end were far worse than we expected. Wilma is the worst storm I’ve experienced so far in my 20 years of living in Florida. Hopefully if this one comes it’s nothing like that.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#398 Postby Steve H. » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:50 pm

Yes. Typically it’s late October that they shoot east of Florida and through the Bahamas. Irene was an exception. I have a bad feeling about this one. Plus the fact that I’m heading out of town on the 30th. My selfish thought. Still waiting for a tc to form though. No definitive track yet.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#399 Postby Steve H. » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:50 pm

Yes. Typically it’s late October that they shoot east of Florida and through the Bahamas. Irene was an exception. I have a bad feeling about this one. Plus the fact that I’m heading out of town on the 30th. My selfish thought. Still waiting for a tc to form though. No definitive track yet.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#400 Postby aspen » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:51 pm

skyline385 wrote:TD or even TS incoming

https://s5.gifyu.com/images/goes16_ir_98L_202209221945.gif

The race to be named Hermine is really heating up. This might get named first if convective trends keep up because we’re getting recon, while 90L will have to rely on satellite estimates.
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