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Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2041 Postby caneman » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:06 pm

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Well GFS and Euro shifted very slightly which is almost within the realm of a normal run (Euro actually just seems faster thats it). ICON and CMC are prone to random shifts all the time, so I think his tweet is misleading saying all major models shifted significantly...


Huh? There clearly has.been an eastward shift.lt looks more and more like Cedar Key to Sarasota to me.


I am guessing you were talking about the Euro, here's the two runs side by side. 18Z run was just faster thats it.

https://i.imgur.com/EeDGFDd.jpg


And most of the other models have shifted east. The center was also found further left. Bank on it, shifted to the east at 11. Further, faster on the Euro means it more easily gets picked up.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2042 Postby skillz305 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:10 pm

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Huh? There clearly has.been an eastward shift.lt looks more and more like Cedar Key to Sarasota to me.


I am guessing you were talking about the Euro, here's the two runs side by side. 18Z run was just faster thats it.

https://i.imgur.com/EeDGFDd.jpg


And most of the other models have shifted east. The center was also found further left. Bank on it, shifted to the east at 11. Further, faster on the Euro means it more easily gets picked up.


I’m also leaning on a slight east shift at 11pm update. The models should get a better grasp overnight tbh. Very curious to see what Ian looks like (mainly the COC) when I wake up tomorrow morning.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2043 Postby LarryWx » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:10 pm

I don't know if anyone posted it, but the 12Z JMA landfalls near Tampa at 120. So, this is similar to the Euro and UKMET at 12Z.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2044 Postby utweather » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:11 pm

caneman wrote:
skyline385 wrote:
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Huh? There clearly has.been an eastward shift.lt looks more and more like Cedar Key to Sarasota to me.


I am guessing you were talking about the Euro, here's the two runs side by side. 18Z run was just faster thats it.

https://i.imgur.com/EeDGFDd.jpg


And most of the other models have shifted east. The center was also found further left. Bank on it, shifted to the east at 11. Further, faster on the Euro means it more easily gets picked up.


Anyone know how far west it would have to go for the trough to miss it?
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Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2045 Postby skillz305 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:13 pm

utweather wrote:
caneman wrote:
skyline385 wrote:
I am guessing you were talking about the Euro, here's the two runs side by side. 18Z run was just faster thats it.

https://i.imgur.com/EeDGFDd.jpg


And most of the other models have shifted east. The center was also found further left. Bank on it, shifted to the east at 11. Further, faster on the Euro means it more easily gets picked up.


Anyone know how far west it would have to go for the trough to miss it?


It’s not about the trough missing the hurricane. Trough more south = Ian pulls towards Florida. Trough pulls away north = Ian stays west and even possibly meanders in the gulf til it’s picked up. I’ve learned a lot from Dr. Levy youtube vids!
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Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2046 Postby gatorcane » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:17 pm

18Z Euro animation:

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Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2047 Postby Bocadude85 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:19 pm

skyline385 wrote:
caneman wrote:
skyline385 wrote:
Well GFS and Euro shifted very slightly which is almost within the realm of a normal run (Euro actually just seems faster thats it). ICON and CMC are prone to random shifts all the time, so I think his tweet is misleading saying all major models shifted significantly...


Huh? There clearly has.been an eastward shift.lt looks more and more like Cedar Key to Sarasota to me.


I am guessing you were talking about the Euro, here's the two runs side by side. 18Z run was just faster thats it.

https://i.imgur.com/EeDGFDd.jpg


Not to split hairs or anything but if you compare the 18z 90 hour position and the 12z 96 hour position you can see the NE adjustment… the 18z is faster and slightly NE of the 12Z.. may not make much of a difference in the final landfall location but many small NE adjustments can add up to a fairly large range of landfall locations when approaching the peninsula at this angle.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2048 Postby Blown Away » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:19 pm

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18z ECMWF… Trend, NE and faster.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2049 Postby Stormcenter » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:26 pm

I just don't believe the NHC has a good hold on where Ian is going and probably won't for another few days. Way too many things
that can change to affect the final track and the models obviously are the same way now.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2050 Postby CronkPSU » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:29 pm

Stormcenter wrote:I just don't believe the NHC has a good hold on where Ian is going and probably won't for another few days. Way too many things
that can change to affect the final track and the models obviously are the same way now.



yeah they said as much in their 5 PM discussion and saying they have a lot more uncertainty days 4-5 than normal

think 11PM will be a slight adjustment S and E but will talk about how they hope the new models coming in before 5AM may bring some agreement
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Re: RE: Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2051 Postby jlauderdal » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:29 pm

Stormcenter wrote:I just don't believe the NHC has a good hold on where Ian is going and probably won't for another few days. Way too many things
that can change to affect the final track and the models obviously are the same way now.
A few days might be a bit late for preps
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#2052 Postby Blown Away » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:33 pm

jlauderdal wrote:
Stormcenter wrote:I just don't believe the NHC has a good hold on where Ian is going and probably won't for another few days. Way too many things
that can change to affect the final track and the models obviously are the same way now.
A few days might be a bit late for preps


Recon, sondes, and all the ballon data from across the CONUS today, the NHC will likely have a good handle this time tomorrow. If that trough is stronger the S adjustments on the SWFL coast will be quick and in 3-4 day cone. It can change very quickly!
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Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2053 Postby SEASON_CANCELED » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:36 pm

CronkPSU wrote:
Stormcenter wrote:I just don't believe the NHC has a good hold on where Ian is going and probably won't for another few days. Way too many things
that can change to affect the final track and the models obviously are the same way now.



yeah they said as much in their 5 PM discussion and saying they have a lot more uncertainty days 4-5 than normal

think 11PM will be a slight adjustment S and E but will talk about how they hope the new models coming in before 5AM may bring some agreement



Yeah they pretty much said this in the last update, the cone is just sort of tradition right now and the best guess.
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Re: RE: Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2054 Postby NFLnut » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:40 pm

jlauderdal wrote:A few days might be a bit late for preps


It's late September. If people have waited until this late to prep, it's on them. Whomever gets the brunt of this will certainly know for sure with 72 hours notice. Everyone within the cone for the last 48 hours should be ready for GO mode.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2055 Postby gatorcane » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:41 pm

Anybody have the 18Z Euro ensembles?
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Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2056 Postby LarryWx » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:47 pm

gatorcane wrote:Anybody have the 18Z Euro ensembles?


I don't see much change vs 12Z other than perhaps the spread seeming to be a little narrower.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2057 Postby blp » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:48 pm

gatorcane wrote:Anybody have the 18Z Euro ensembles?


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Re: RE: Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2058 Postby AmandaInDestin » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:52 pm

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jlauderdal wrote:A few days might be a bit late for preps


It's late September. If people have waited until this late to prep, it's on them. Whomever gets the brunt of this will certainly know for sure with 72 hours notice. Everyone within the cone for the last 48 hours should be ready for GO mode.


My prep is full tank of gas in all vehicles, cash and important documents in water proof cases. I like the comfort of air-conditioning. I don't want to ride out any storms and sit without power. A strong fart knocks out our power lines here.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2059 Postby gatorcane » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:53 pm

Thanks yeah the EPS really is similar to the 12Z so hasn’t moved much.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Models

#2060 Postby StPeteMike » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:53 pm

blp wrote:
gatorcane wrote:Anybody have the 18Z Euro ensembles?


https://i.ibb.co/m6T0nZK/AL09.gif

Euro hates Tampa Bay, it’s been on that track for some runs.
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