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#21 Postby senorpepr » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:42 pm

pojo wrote:When OK had the ice storm a couple of weeks back... Altus AFB was mission essential only with complete shut down after 12noon... I'm from Wis... NOTHING shuts down!


Yup, most military bases are like that. Recently, we had several inches of snow on the ground. Non-essential personnel stayed home while mission essential folks worked.

Some mission essential folks will always work... regardless of the weather.

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#22 Postby Stephanie » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:32 pm

I would certainly hope that the state employees would have to take personal time off for staying at home. I do understand the motivation behind it.

In NJ, we've had some state of emergencies declared during some of our largest storms. It's illegal if you are on the road unless you're "essential" personnel. During the Blizzard of 1996, I was home for about 3 days - all personal time. I don't work for the state but I don't think I should pay a state worker for something I don't get.

Some people just shouldn't drive, period. If they can't drive in a 1/2" of snow, then I'm sure they're a whole lot of fun in a rain storm! :roll:
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#23 Postby Jim Cantore » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:34 pm

.5" there is like a foot here.
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#24 Postby senorpepr » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:03 am

Category 5 wrote:.5" there is like a foot here.


.5" is more like a half-inch. Try 12". :wink:
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#25 Postby Jim Cantore » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:07 am

senorpepr wrote:
Category 5 wrote:.5" there is like a foot here.


.5" is more like a half-inch. Try 12". :wink:


I didn't mean literally :wink: :lol:
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#26 Postby GalvestonDuck » Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:41 am

Stephanie wrote:I would certainly hope that the state employees would have to take personal time off for staying at home. I do understand the motivation behind it.


Speaking from experience as both a former KY state employee and a current TX state employee, we sometimes get paid for those severe weather outbreaks that keep us away from work. When I worked for UK, there was never a time I couldn't make it to work during a blizzard or ice storm (because I seem to always live within walking distance of work). And we had a "4-Wheeler's club" of volunteers who would go out in their Jeeps, Humvees, and so forth to pick up or drive home essential employees whose own cars couldn't make it. But there were a handful of people who lived in surrounding counties who simply couldn't get to work, or the hospital chose to close the outpatient clinics so patients wouldn't have to get out and drive in the mess (and neither did those non-essential employees). Of course, sometimes the mess was worse because the road crews were incompetent.

So, in those cases where the clinics closed or, most of the time, when employees made an effort to get to work but couldn't, they were paid administrative leave. Their own personal vacation time was not used. It was rare though.

And, here at UTMB, we were paid administrative leave when we left work earlier to secure our own homes (after securing our offices, of course) during Tropical Storm Allison as well as for our time off during the evacuation of Hurricane Rita. However, we couldn't just leave and evacuate. We had to wait until they told us we could go and we had to return to work as soon as they said everything was clear. Of course, both of those happened here when I was a clinic employee. Now that I'm working in the hospital, I'll most likely stay here longer during the patient evacuation, then leave if we can.

In extreme cases, I think it makes sense to pay administrative leave for employees, although I have enough of my own time accrued that I could afford to use it if I had to. But for 1/2" of snow? :lol: No....
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#27 Postby j » Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:58 am

gtalum wrote:The state has no authority to mandate that other employers shut down.


Guess what? I realize that.
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#28 Postby j » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:01 am

Stephanie wrote:I don't work for the state but I don't think I should pay a state worker for something I don't get.


Bravo!! Attention: Stephanie and I agree on something! :)
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#29 Postby GalvestonDuck » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:47 pm

j wrote:
Stephanie wrote:I don't work for the state but I don't think I should pay a state worker for something I don't get.


Bravo!! Attention: Stephanie and I agree on something! :)


You don't get vacation pay?

Either way, it's still pay -- it just comes out of a different pool. UTMB budgets for administrative pay for disasters. But whether it's my vacation pay or administrative pay, the check still comes from the same place (the state) and goes to the same place (my bank). So, does it matter if it's from the vacation time I've saved or administrative pay?
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#30 Postby TexasStooge » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:13 pm

Here in North Texas, most of the closings began when 1/4 of ice or snow accumulations were reported. Heck, School districts in Alvord, Bryson, and Chico are closed today.
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