Fidel Castro resigns!

[Chacor]

For whatever (little, probably) it's worth, a paper I did last year on media ethics focussed a lot on Fox's bias... plenty of neutral sources saying so out there if you look for them.

[mf_dolphin]

What does Marshall's comment have to do with the fact that FNC is indeed conservatively biased? Most analysts have concluded just that, it's not my personal opinion.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Mur ... ontroversy

And before you go saying "it's just Wikipedia", the statement is sourced.

Saying FNC is consevarively biased is a far cry from your implication that they were "belting out the issue" or your supposition that the picture was staged, without any thing to base that opinion on that I can see. I can show you plenty of sources that say the other major news networks have a decidely liber bias. That's just the way it is whether any of us like it. Any reasonable thinking person won't take any of them at face value nor blindly dismiss everything one source says either. Btw, the picture mentioned was carried on nearly every news network at some point. For some it's refreshing to have at least one major news source that is liberally biased. The picture was an embarrassment for the Obama campaign but they handled it well and life goes on.

On one other point, just because a Wikipedia article quotes another source doesn't necessarily make either one correct

[Coredesat]

Well, you're not disputing the Wikipedia article or the source it quotes. You're disputing the dozens of studies that have been done on FNC's content and on Rupert Murdoch's views (Murdoch being FNC's owner). FNC and SkyNews (in the UK) are biased because Murdoch is a conservative - he doesn't endorse John McCain for president because he thinks he's too liberal.

Most news media don't think the Che Guevara flag is a big deal, and it's not, really.

[HURAKAN]

Not a big deal because you're not Cuban-American. Once again, I don't want to make a political statement but if you look at Che's record, he was another Fidel Castro and when fighting in the mountains, he was more cruel than Castro. Castro just cleaned up after taking over Cuba and immidiately eliminated Camilo Cienfuegos, who was loved by the country and far more popular than Fidel. Castro then sent Che to fight to the Congo and then to Bolivia after he spoke against the USSR.

I support 100% when people express their opinions but people should really know history and find out who really Che was.

[mf_dolphin]

Well, you're not disputing the Wikipedia article or the source it quotes. You're disputing the dozens of studies that have been done on FNC's content and on Rupert Murdoch's views (Murdoch being FNC's owner). FNC and SkyNews (in the UK) are biased because Murdoch is a conservative - he doesn't endorse John McCain for president because he thinks he's too liberal.

Most news media don't think the Che Guevara flag is a big deal, and it's not, really.

Maybe you're having trouble reading. I've never said that Fox wasn't conservatively biased and in fact I welcome it since it does offer an opposing view to the other four major news networks. Do you dispute that CBS, NBC, ABC and CNN have a liberal bias? If you do you need to research the studies on their content. Again, a resonable person takes input from a wide variety of sources then draws their own conclusions. We were given a well developed brain and it's high time people remembered how to use them. Anyone that let's the talking heads on any channel that pass their sensationalistic garbarge for real reporting today gets exactly what they deserve. JMHO

As to Che Guevera and since you're so fond of Wikipedia:

Guevara played a key role in bringing to Cuba the Soviet nuclear-armed ballistic missiles that precipitated the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962. During an interview with the British newspaper Daily Worker some weeks later, he stated that, if the missiles had been under Cuban control, they would have fired them against major U.S. cities.[87]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara

I guess I would have to differ with you that his picture isn't a big deal.....

[artist]

Well, you're not disputing the Wikipedia article or the source it quotes. You're disputing the dozens of studies that have been done on FNC's content and on Rupert Murdoch's views (Murdoch being FNC's owner). FNC and SkyNews (in the UK) are biased because Murdoch is a conservative - he doesn't endorse John McCain for president because he thinks he's too liberal.

Most news media don't think the Che Guevara flag is a big deal, and it's not, really.

core - first, you were just told other stations DID air it. Don't believe them , then believe me. Secondly it gets really old hearing this over and over. What if I started pulling the same thing if you were to post an article from NBC? Telling you over and over they are biased. Fox is less biased than NBC ever will be. You can't even see it yourself. Would it really be fair if there were no Fox? No, you on the left are not the only ones living in the US. Get over it. And to call s2k less than fair as well is really a cheap shot. They allow you this place to visit and post yet you would say something as you did with nothing to back it up other than maybe thru what you hear in gossip? Is that fair? Absolutely not and I am sure there is a door around here somewhere if you don't like the way they do things.

[MiamiensisWx]

core - first, you were just told other stations DID air it. Don't believe them , then believe me. Secondly it gets really old hearing this over and over. What if I started pulling the same thing if you were to post an article from NBC? Telling you over and over they are biased. Fox is less biased than NBC ever will be. You can't even see it yourself. Would it really be fair if there were no Fox? No, you on the left are not the only ones living in the US. Get over it. And to call s2k less than fair as well is really a cheap shot. They allow you this place to visit and post yet you would say something as you did with nothing to back it up other than maybe thru what you hear in gossip? Is that fair? Absolutely not and I am sure there is a door around here somewhere if you don't like the way they do things.

1. "They allow you this place to visit and post yet you would say something as you did with nothing to back it up other than maybe thru what you hear in gossip?" could be interpreted as a personal attack. The same case can be said for "Get over it."
2. I don't trust any of the major networks. It is silly to claim that Fox is less biased than MSNBC or CNN. You may (key word is "may"; you are probably completely different) share some neoconservative or paleoconservative views on some issues, but it still doesn't disguise that fact. Simultaneously, it is equally preposterous to assume that Fox is the lone biased network. There are some good points from both sides.
3. I don't like "conservative" or "liberal" labels. People with conservative views on some issues can be quite liberal on other issues. Vice versa is also the case. Additionally, it largely depends on your definition of "conservative" or "liberal". Classical liberalism and conservatism are actually quite similar. In the past, classical liberalism has actually supported free markets. For example, there are some notable conservatives who haven't supported the Iraq War. Simultaneously, some people would argue that our current foreign policy and other decisions are quite liberal/neoconservative. I don't want to have a political battle; I'm illustrating the complexities of personal views. In other words, I don't believe in "liberal/conservative" labeling garbage.
4. Don't claim that he's on the political left. I don't do the same thing to you. I don't know your views; you don't know mine.
5. I'm very close to the middle (i.e. objectivist/independent). I'm not perfect, but I make every attempt to listen and view the situation from every perspective. I share several portions of most political views. It is usually much better if people are more objective.

I definitely agree that all views should be heard, regardless of its value. Don't label me as a "lib" or "neocon". For what it's worth, I don't support Fidel Castro.

[MiamiensisWx]

By the way, why did the board delete the old "Afraid to post?" topic? Please place it back in OT...

[artist]

1. "They allow you this place to visit and post yet you would say something as you did with nothing to back it up other than maybe thru what you hear in gossip?" could be interpreted as a personal attack. The same case can be said for "Get over it."

He was told that it was on the other stations when he stated it wasn't. I saw it , so did Marshall. So, if it was, yet he stated it wasn't, then who is at fault now?
Secondly, did I ever state it wasn't biased? No., I stated I get tired of hearing that they are as though the others are any less so! Works both ways you know.
Third, I don't want to know his political affiliation, nor do I want yours. I don't come here for that. Through his posts it has become obvious otherwise why would I be upset?
Want to know something funny? I am close to the middle as well, just to the right of it. Now tell me, do you want me to start topics that we know will become political, even if it is just innuendo. I doubt it.

[MiamiensisWx]

He was told that it was on the other stations when he stated it wasn't. I saw it , so did Marshall. So, if it was, yet he stated it wasn't, then who is at fault now?
Secondly, did I ever state it wasn't biased? No., I stated I get tired of hearing that they are as though the others are any less so! Works both ways you know.
Third, I don't want to know his political affiliation, nor do I want yours. I don't come here for that. Through his posts it has become obvious otherwise why would I be upset?
Want to know something funny? I am close to the middle as well, just to the right of it. Now tell me, do you want me to start topics that we know will become political, even if it is just innuendo. I doubt it.

1. Please quote every part of my post. I implied that all big networks are equally biased, including CNN, MSNBC, and Fox.
2. Coredesat did not start this thread. Check the original poster. I can't blame Coredesat, you, or others for participating in the thread, unless it becomes a political bashing arena. I think the bashing (not debate) aspect is banned by the site's owners.
3. Despite the differing opinions, it's not a bashing arena as of 10:38 p.m. EST.

"Fox is less biased than NBC ever will be. You can't even see it yourself. Would it really be fair if there were no Fox? No, you on the left are not the only ones living in the US. Get over it."

The bolded portion sounds very similar to an attack. I would say the same thing if another person branded you as a "neoconservative." In that case, I would defend you.

Finally, I think all of the networks are (again) equally biased. Fox is not more biased than CNN and MSNBC, and it is not less biased. All of the news stations have their biases.

On the topic, not all "liberals" support Fidel Castro (although I'm not "liberal" or "conservative"). I also do not deny the fact that the ***** office picture of Che Guevara is true.

[artist]

miami - he stated "Most news media don't think the Che Guevara flag is a big deal, and it's not, really."
I stated they did as I saw it as well as Marshall saw it. Maybe I could have worded it better.

I normally do post entire quotes but due to the length I chose what I thought I was going to answer. Afterward I realized I had answered more than just the one item.
Did I ever question that regarding the bias you stated? No, I didn't and I would also like to know why you are answering for core.

[MiamiensisWx]

miami - he stated "Most news media don't think the Che Guevara flag is a big deal, and it's not, really."
I stated they did as I saw it as well as Marshall saw it. Maybe I could have worded it better.

I normally do post entire quotes but due to the length I chose what I thought I was going to answer. Afterward I realized I had answered more than just the one item.
Did I ever question that regarding the bias you stated? No, I didn't and I would also like to know why you are answering for core.

I answered for Coredesat because there were some statements in your post that sounded accusatory. For example, you said, "No, you on the left are not the only ones living in the US. Get over it." If someone labled you as an "right-wing nut" et al, I would have defended you, too.

Labels (applied to posters) usually spread inaccuracies or squash constructive debate and exchange of opinions on this forum. It also leads to political bashing and locked threads.

[MiamiensisWx]

By the way, why did the board delete the old "Afraid to post?" topic? Please place it back in OT...

Can anyone answer this question? That thread was very informative regarding the clash of opinions on this site.

On the topic, I'm not a big fan of Che Guevara at all, too...

[CajunMama]

By the way, why did the board delete the old "Afraid to post?" topic? Please place it back in OT...

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Because it ran it's course and there were things said in there that didn't need to be out on the open board. What's past is past. Move on.

Miami...you can't tell a person what to quote...you bring it out on the open board and if a person is replying to a certain part of a post, they don't need to quote the entire thing.

To all...if the tone in this thread doesn't change,this thread will be locked. What ever happened to civilized conversations?

[Coredesat]

I personally think it should be locked right now, because it's not going to get any better; this is why I've been avoiding it.

[MiamiensisWx]

I personally think it should be locked right now, because it's not going to get any better; this is why I've been avoiding it.

Yes...

I'm not sure as to why my PM is unanswered...

[Category 5]

Locking this now might be a good idea, the wheels are coming off of this thread. I can't believe some of the things I'm reading.

This is a perfect example of why political posts were banned.

[CajunMama]

I personally think it should be locked right now, because it's not going to get any better; this is why I've been avoiding it.

Yes...

I'm not sure as to why my PM is unanswered...

Because i am not constantly looking to see if i have pm's. I'm washing clothes, cleaning the kitchen and participating in chat.

[HURAKAN]

Everyone already knows Fidel is out of the way. The purpose of the thread has been served. Time to lock it before it continues to further derail from the central issue.

[Stephanie]

I personally think it should be locked right now, because it's not going to get any better; this is why I've been avoiding it.

Yes...

I'm not sure as to why my PM is unanswered...

Perhaps it was because you sent it to me when I was offline???