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#121 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:12 pm

Aslkahuna wrote:Syria could lose what they got back from the Israelis if they went to war. Hezbollah needs to be totally eradicated along with Hamas and we need to go after their cells here in the US.

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You are right Steve in terms of eradicating the Hezbollah and Hamas cells inside the U.S.I say yesterday on CNN a report about those cells being inside the U.S for many years.
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#122 Postby Aslkahuna » Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:15 pm

Well we DO have a bunch of troops and other units across their Border in Iraq so they might be more concerned about that than the nutcase in Iran. Assad is brutal and ruthless but not a crackpot. Also, they may think that they have more to lose if they get involved. Also, although Syria may be giving Hezbollah some aid and comfort now, Hezbollah has become more of Iran's baby now which bothers Syria's Arab neighbors so Assad might be getting pressure from that quarter to cool it as well as Arabs by and large don't trust Persians. Hezbollah, OTOH being a terrorist group cares not where their help comes from as long as they get to fulfill their bloodlust.

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#123 Postby ericinmia » Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:36 pm

Israel has told the USA that this is not a good time for Rice to visit....

She was supposed to leave asap for Israel to aide in the peace process.... hmmm

Sounds like Israel wants to continue fighting for the time being to be able to put the largest hurting on Hezbollah and Hamas before the fighting is over.
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#124 Postby Janice » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:14 pm

I don't care how much the UN or any other country tries to talk to Lebanon or Israel, they are not going to listen. They have their cause and they could care less what we say. Israel wants its two people back then they will cease fire, Hezbollah says no, you cease fire first then we will release them. These two sides are fighting their battle and we might as well just let them. IMO And, I think these two fellows might already be dead.
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#125 Postby zoeyann » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:21 pm

I don't trust Syria, but I do not think they would invite refugees in only to do them harm on the international stage. However my concern would be is if Syria gets drug into this somehow then these people have just moved from one dangerous place to another. I would guess an American's best bet would be to get into Syria, and then hop the first plane out.

They may have told Rice that it is a bad time to visit because they may not be able to guarentee ample security or safety for her. They are prolly trying to keep from being killed themselves, and I would imagine a US politician would be a prime target for some terrorist nut job to cause this to escalate. Anyway just a theory.
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#126 Postby Stephanie » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:42 pm

Audrey2Katrina wrote:
Britain = Mainland
UK Includes Northern Ireland.


Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't UK a short term for "United Kingdom of Great Britain"?

Bottom line: British forces/planes will ultimately be considered those of the UK.. this is a silly thing over which to make an issue.

Or motive? I would not take refuge there.


My sentiments as well, Linda. I have a good friend who married into a Syrian family, (but they are Christians and members of the "Orthodox" Church from there) They used to go there at least once a year as well; but haven't made that trip in years--they do NOT like the growth of terrorism, OR Syria's probable role in same. Perhaps all Syria is trying to do is avoid what could very well bring them to the brink of "regime change"..hence terror-driven in its own way; but based on what I've heard from my friend... I don't know how comfortable I'd feel in Syria.

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I don't think I'd feel that comfortable as well, but I'll take this scenerio over Syria threatening to jump into the fray anyday. Every country has their own "reasons" why they do things. If anything, if Syria is offering aid right now to US citizens and citizens of other countries and something happens to them, they're screwed. I am in NO WAY defending Syria because I know that while they are doing this, they are still helping the insurgents in Iraq, etc. Their fear could be to our benefit.
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#127 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:57 pm

Their fear could be to our benefit.


That is a valid point. If they're looking to score propaganda points (and I'm sure they are).. showing treachery here would work decidedly against them.

Problem is... getting anyone safely along a road through Lebanon, and into Syria. And as another has already pointed out... getting the heck out'a there as soon as possible.

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#128 Postby nholley » Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:36 pm

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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't UK a short term for "United Kingdom of Great Britain"?

Bottom line: British forces/planes will ultimately be considered those of the UK.. this is a silly thing over which to make an issue.

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It is a silly thing but it is The United Kingdom Of Great Britain And Northern Ireland.

Although thse days it all seems to be "Coalition Forces." There is a large British base in Cyprus and whenever anything blows up in the region like it is now the base is used to get people out and stage forces for any military response.

On the topic....I still fear Syria is playing a game and I cannot see US citizens being safe there....human shields all over again.
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#129 Postby kevin » Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:41 pm

Its the United Kingdom is of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, unless we are speaking a different version of English, Northern Ireland is included in Great Britain. :?:
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#130 Postby sunny » Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:44 pm

nholley wrote:I still fear Syria is playing a game and I cannot see US citizens being safe there....human shields all over again.


Yeah, I tend to agree with you. Don't trust them at all....
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#131 Postby brunota2003 » Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:50 pm

from what I heard the U.S. was telling U.S. Citizans not to go to Syria because Hezbollah was stopping buses at the Lebanon/Syria border, and checking passports...did anyone else hear that?
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#132 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:00 pm

It is a silly thing but it is The United Kingdon Of Great Britain And Northern Ireland.


Doesn't change the Bottom line... anything "British" is decidedly UK.. you're making a mountain out of a pothole.

Back on topic :darrow:

from what I heard the U.S. was telling U.S. Citizans not to go to Syria because Hezbollah was stopping buses at the Lebanon/Syria border, and checking passports...did anyone else hear that?


This is exactly what I was voicing my apprehensions over in a previous post... and that would be the dangers involved simply in making it to Syria.

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#133 Postby Brent » Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:36 am

A suicide bombing was preempted Monday in downtown Jerusalem, after a 25-year-old Palestinian was caught carrying a bomb in a bag on a main city thoroughfare, police said.

The foiled attack raised concern that Palestinian terror organizations were planning to start a new wave of suicide bombings in major Israeli cities, and open a third front as the military faces off against Hamas in Gaza and Hizbullah in Lebanon.

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#134 Postby abajan » Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:00 am

Audrey2Katrina wrote:... you're making a mountain out of a pothole.

Not to split hairs but didn't you mean molehill? I mean, one would have to make a crater, not a mountain, out of a pothole. :lol:
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#135 Postby Janice » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:02 am

srael hits Lebanese army barracks, kills 9 soldiers

BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- Israeli warplanes pounded Lebanese army barracks for a second straight day Tuesday, killing at least nine soldiers, army sources said.

The Jamhour army barracks east of Beirut were one of several targets hit by airstrikes early in the day, including sites in southern Beirut, as Israel's campaign against Lebanon's Hezbollah guerrillas entered a seventh day.

Six Lebanese soldiers died and 28 were wounded early Monday when Israel bombed an army post in Abdeh, about 80 km (50 miles) north of Beirut, the Lebanese military said.

The Israeli air force also hit two trucks during a pre-dawn bombing raid on the coastal town of Jbeil -- also known as Byblos -- about 20 miles north of Beirut, Lebanese police said. There are no immediate reports of casualties.

Hezbollah responded Tuesday by sending at least three rockets into the Haifa area. CNN's Paula Hancock reported hearing the blasts. There were no immediate reports of damage or casualties.

One residential building partially collapsed in Haifa Monday when it was hit, wounding at least 11 people. Eight people died Sunday when a rocket hit a train station there.

Israel launched an extensive bombing campaign against Hezbollah on Wednesday after the Shiite Muslim militia abducted two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid into northern Israel. Lebanon's government has demanded a cease-fire, but Israel insisted it would keep up the attacks until its kidnapped soldiers are freed.

"We dream of peace," Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told the Knesset, Israel's parliament. "We do not seek war or a head-on confrontation. But, if necessary, we shall not flinch from them."

Hezbollah has responded by raining rockets across northern Israel. At least five Israelis were wounded in rocket attacks late Monday, one of which shattered the windows of a hospital in the town of Safed, the Israel Defense Forces said.

In Haifa, where a rocket attack killed eight people Sunday, new volleys of rockets sent residents into shelters. One residential building partially collapsed when it was hit, wounding at least 11 people. (Watch why new rockets pose much greater threat -- 1:36)

The latest reported death toll in Israel was 24 dead, including 12 civilians, the Israeli military said. Lebanese authorities Tuesday reported 180 dead, with no breakdown between civilians and military personnel.

The evacuation of Westerners from war-ravaged Lebanon picked up speed Tuesday as governments moved to get their citizens to safety by land, sea and air. (Full story)
IDF: Longer-range missiles taken out

The Israeli military said it conducted about 50 Israeli airstrikes on targets in Lebanon on Monday -- among them, a truck carrying missiles the IDF said were capable of reaching Tel Aviv. Other targets included Hezbollah's headquarters in south Beirut, a warehouse that Israel said was used to store weapons in southern Lebanon, and roads and bridges in the region.

Six Lebanese soldiers died and 28 were wounded early Monday when Israel bombed an army post in Abdeh, about 80 kilometers (50 miles) north of Beirut, the Lebanese military said. And Israeli warplanes struck a Lebanese army barracks in Jumhour, about 20 km northeast of Beirut, early Tuesday, but there was no immediate report of casualties from that raid.

Hezbollah has demanded that Israel exchange Lebanese prisoners in its jails for the captured soldiers, but Israel has rejected calls for a prisoner exchange. But Nouhad Mahmoud, Lebanon's ambassador to the United Nations, said Lebanese authorities might be able to persuade the Shiite militia, which holds seats in Lebanon's parliament and government, to release the men -- but could not force Hezbollah to free them.

Diplomatic efforts to resolve the crisis are unlikely to prove successful until Israel feels it has crippled Hezbollah or President George W. Bush pressures Israel to halt the offensive, Arab diplomats said Monday. (Full story)
'Buffer zone' in southern Lebanon?

Arab-language television networks reported an Israeli plane had gone down in Beirut, but the Israel Defense Forces said video said to show an aircraft falling from the sky actually showed a missile crashing. IDF said it had struck a truck carrying long-range missiles in Beirut, causing one to launch. That missile exploded in mid-air and crashed onto a Beirut beach, the Israeli military said.

IDF said the missiles had a range of 120 to 160 km (75 to 100 miles) and could easily have reached Tel Aviv, about 113 km (70 miles) from the Israel-Lebanon border, if the truck had made it to southern Lebanon and launched its missiles from there.

Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz said Monday that Israel intends to create a buffer zone in southern Lebanon.

"We intend to complete this operation. We have no intention of allowing anyone to stop us before we complete the creation of a buffer zone," Peretz said during a visit to northern Israel. But an Israeli military source denied reports that a Israeli ground operation had begun in Lebanon, saying that a small military unit destroyed "one or two" Hezbollah posts across the Lebanese border.

However, the source added that Israel would use "every measure, including ground forces, if necessary."
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#136 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:16 am

Iran=No place is safe in Israel

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Look what they are saying in Iran about Israel and the no safe place rethoric from them.
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#137 Postby Janice » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:10 am

Do you suppose Lebanon and Israel are slowing down a little bit waiting for all the foreigners to get out, then all Hell will break out?
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#138 Postby Janice » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:31 am

Israeli security officials say one person was killed in a rocket attack on Nahariya, The Associated Press reports.

Also, I think there is something going on that we do not know. They are sending in a lot of warships, etc. said to assist in the moving out of foreigners. Then something on CNN was said about reserves. I cannot find that. I am wondering if some of those ships don't have our ground troops and as soon as the people are out, they will enter the countries.
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#139 Postby Bella » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:07 am

Janice wrote:Israeli security officials say one person was killed in a rocket attack on Nahariya, The Associated Press reports.

Also, I think there is something going on that we do not know. They are sending in a lot of warships, etc. said to assist in the moving out of foreigners. Then something on CNN was said about reserves. I cannot find that. I am wondering if some of those ships don't have our ground troops and as soon as the people are out, they will enter the countries.


I certainly hope our guys are not going in, unless it's to escort our citizens out. Would not be a smart move on our part, IMHO.
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#140 Postby Cookiely » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:01 am

Janice wrote:I don't care how much the UN or any other country tries to talk to Lebanon or Israel, they are not going to listen. They have their cause and they could care less what we say. Israel wants its two people back then they will cease fire, Hezbollah says no, you cease fire first then we will release them. These two sides are fighting their battle and we might as well just let them. IMO And, I think these two fellows might already be dead.

I agree with you Janice. I don't understand why they can't have a buffer zone between all these countries with UN peacekeepers.
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