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#141 Postby Jag95 » Mon May 03, 2010 9:24 pm

KWT wrote:Certainly is a huge amount of oil to be spilling out, amazing they tried to cover thier mistakes by claiming 'only' 5000 gallons was leaking a day, I'm pretty sure they must have had a good idea right from the start the actual extent, but that sort of news is easier to break in in stages of course.


I don't ever remember them saying 5000 gallons a day. I'm pretty sure that's wrong. It was originally stated as 1,000 barrels a day, with a barrel equal to 42 gallons. They then upped it to 5000 barrels a day, equal to 210,000 gallons.
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Re: Oil spill reaching the coast, animals affected

#142 Postby HurricaneBill » Tue May 04, 2010 2:41 am

I think Cuba and the Bahamas should be alerted as a precaution.
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#143 Postby attallaman » Tue May 04, 2010 2:56 am

I was watching Countdown with Keith Olbermann on MSNBC last night and he was conducting an interview with a reporter from "The Daily Beast" website discussing the oil slick in the GOM. It was a good interview. The link to the article posted on "The Daily Beast" website is listed below and it's a very good read. It gets into the subject of BP wanting to hire local area fishermen to help out with the oil slick cleanup.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and- ... riginalsL1
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#144 Postby KWT » Tue May 04, 2010 10:44 am

Jag95 wrote:
KWT wrote:Certainly is a huge amount of oil to be spilling out, amazing they tried to cover thier mistakes by claiming 'only' 5000 gallons was leaking a day, I'm pretty sure they must have had a good idea right from the start the actual extent, but that sort of news is easier to break in in stages of course.


I don't ever remember them saying 5000 gallons a day. I'm pretty sure that's wrong. It was originally stated as 1,000 barrels a day, with a barrel equal to 42 gallons. They then upped it to 5000 barrels a day, equal to 210,000 gallons.


Ah thats probably what I was thinking, thats a slip of mine!

Still my point stands, they must have known the true extent right from the start.
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Re: Oil spill reaching the coast, animals affected

#145 Postby jasons2k » Tue May 04, 2010 12:46 pm

attallaman wrote:I was watching Countdown with Keith Olbermann on MSNBC last night and he was conducting an interview with a reporter from "The Daily Beast" website discussing the oil slick in the GOM. It was a good interview. The link to the article posted on "The Daily Beast" website is listed below and it's a very good read. It gets into the subject of BP wanting to hire local area fishermen to help out with the oil slick cleanup.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and- ... riginalsL1


My take on this, from the article, is that the $5,000 contract has nothing to do with volunteer work. It is a waiver - basically a settlement amount - similar to what many insurance companies will do if you get into an accident and say your neck hurts. They present a check for $(x-dollars) to you - a settlement - and you sign a waiver that you will not sue them for more damages in the future. That's what this sounds like this is. If that's the case, all I can say is "wow" and stupid move on their part too. The bad PR from that may eventually outweigh any potential losses from the spill itself...and deservedly so.

Later in the article they say they were not seeking public volonteers as they had those contracted out (from Maryland?).

Anyway I have mixed emotions on this. I am, of course, angered that this happened. I will be really angry at BP if some of the allegations in the article are true, such as digging deeper than what was approved and not having the emergency backup equipment/shutoff valves in place, etc. Taken into context with other 'safety issues' that have been publicized with BP before, I think on the surface they deserve all the anger and bad press that is directed towards them.

That said -- I do know some people who work at BP here in Houston. They are good people and by-and-large, BP is a good company. It's a tough situation when the bad decisions of a few people can leave a black mark on the reputation of the entire company. I know they are working tirelessly, 24/7, to make good on this (as best they can). And FWIW it's not all in the interest of "saving face" to limit lawsuits and prevent massive losses. Most of the employees there hate to see oil wash-up on beaches, destroy wildlife, etc., just as much as the next guy. They actually do care that oil is leaking into a natural habitat. That may shock some people but the company isn't out to just rape and scorch the earth to make a dime.

I'm not defending BP per se...I guess what I'm saying is that even though this is a terrible, terrible environmental disaster, we should still take a step back and evaluate this with our minds and not our emotions. There are caring, "real people" with families to support on the BP side of this thing too, as ugly as it may be.

I just hope this isn't true about the waivers and whatnot. I don't like it at all if that's the case.
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Re: Oil spill reaching the coast, animals affected

#146 Postby Sanibel » Tue May 04, 2010 2:00 pm

They could lose the well. It could blow-out completely:

Paul Noel, a software engineer currently working for the U.S. Army at Redstone Arsenal, AL, who has expertise in the oil and gas industry, writes in Pure Energy Systems News:

I...think that the situation is getting further and further out of hand. The nature of the crude had changed, indicating that the spill was collapsing the rock structures. If it is collapsing the rock structures, the least that can be said is that the rock is fragmenting and blowing up the tube with the oil. With that going on you have a high pressure abrasive sand blaster working on the kinks in the pipe eroding it causing the very real risk of increasing the leaks.

More than that is the very real risk of causing the casing to become unstable and literally blowing it up the well bringing the hole to totally open condition. Another risk arises because according to reports the crew was cementing the exterior of the casing when this happens. As a result, the well, if this was not properly completed, could begin to blow outside the casing. Another possible scenario is a sea floor collapse. If that happens Katie bar the door.

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#147 Postby attallaman » Tue May 04, 2010 4:07 pm

A video graphic showing the projected path of the oil slick in the GOM, the video is courtesy of CNN.com.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/29/intera ... index.html
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#148 Postby attallaman » Tue May 04, 2010 4:16 pm

Another news article addressing local area fishermen's concerns in LA about BP work contracts. The article is courtesy of WWL TV.com, the website for CBS TV affilliate WWL TV-4 in NOLA.

http://www.wwltv.com/news/gulf-oil-spil ... 31449.html
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#149 Postby attallaman » Tue May 04, 2010 4:25 pm

Florida Governor Charlie Crist said this morning that the state should prepare now for the oil spill. News article and video is courtesy of Fox News TV affilliate Fox10TV.com, Mobile, AL.

http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/gulf_oi ... -oil-spill
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Re: Oil spill reaching the coast, animals affected

#150 Postby Stephanie » Tue May 04, 2010 6:52 pm

Sanibel wrote:They could lose the well. It could blow-out completely:

Paul Noel, a software engineer currently working for the U.S. Army at Redstone Arsenal, AL, who has expertise in the oil and gas industry, writes in Pure Energy Systems News:

I...think that the situation is getting further and further out of hand. The nature of the crude had changed, indicating that the spill was collapsing the rock structures. If it is collapsing the rock structures, the least that can be said is that the rock is fragmenting and blowing up the tube with the oil. With that going on you have a high pressure abrasive sand blaster working on the kinks in the pipe eroding it causing the very real risk of increasing the leaks.

More than that is the very real risk of causing the casing to become unstable and literally blowing it up the well bringing the hole to totally open condition. Another risk arises because according to reports the crew was cementing the exterior of the casing when this happens. As a result, the well, if this was not properly completed, could begin to blow outside the casing. Another possible scenario is a sea floor collapse. If that happens Katie bar the door.



I don't know how many times or ways you can that the situation is horrible - there's just not enough words to describe it. :(
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#151 Postby attallaman » Tue May 04, 2010 9:38 pm

British Petroleum stated early today they would give $100 million in grants to 4 Gulf Coast states to be divided equally among the governments of 4 Gulf Coast states to help prepare for any clean up of oil that might wash ashore in each of the 4 Gulf Coast states. Tonight's news article is courtesy of WLOX.com, the website for ABC TV affilliate WLOX-TV13, Biloxi, MS.

http://www.wlox.com/global/story.asp?s=12426377
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#152 Postby attallaman » Tue May 04, 2010 10:00 pm

Oil booms are washing ashore in Orange Beach, Alabama. The local government there is considering placing another set of booms out to replace the ones which failed. Tonight's news article is courtesy of FOX10TV.com, the website for FOX TV affilliate FOX 10, Mobile, Alabama. Orange Beach is a beautiful community where I've spent many summers and I would certainly hope that their area as well as my area and all areas along the GOM coastline are not impacted in any way by any oil as a result of the BP oil spill.

http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/gulf_oi ... ange-beach
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#153 Postby SunnyThoughts » Tue May 04, 2010 10:10 pm

WASHINGTON — In a closed-door briefing for members of Congress, a senior BP executive conceded Tuesday that the ruptured oil well in the Gulf of Mexico could conceivably spill as much as 60,000 barrels a day of oil, more than 10 times the estimate of the current flow.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/05/us/05spill.html?hp
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#154 Postby Skyhawk » Wed May 05, 2010 7:46 am

SunnyThoughts wrote:WASHINGTON — In a closed-door briefing for members of Congress, a senior BP executive conceded Tuesday that the ruptured oil well in the Gulf of Mexico could conceivably spill as much as 60,000 barrels a day of oil, more than 10 times the estimate of the current flow.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/05/us/05spill.html?hp


Unfortunately we are not told why this might happen. Instead of getting the testamony of the executive all we get is the reporter's summary, which may or may not accurately reflect the actual situation. The article is in my opinion almost worthless as is most of the reporting on the incident.
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Re: Oil spill reaching the coast, animals affected

#155 Postby Skyhawk » Wed May 05, 2010 7:48 am

If anyone would like to read what professionals are saying, they can read here:

http://drillingclub.proboards.com/index ... 837&page=1
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#156 Postby SunnyThoughts » Wed May 05, 2010 9:25 am

Skyhawk wrote:If anyone would like to read what professionals are saying, they can read here:

http://drillingclub.proboards.com/index ... 837&page=1



Lots of expert opinion at Theoildrum.com also
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#157 Postby jasons2k » Wed May 05, 2010 9:25 am

Some good news - reports are out that one of the three leaks has been plugged.
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Re: Oil spill reaching the coast, animals affected

#158 Postby Sanibel » Wed May 05, 2010 10:05 am

There's some speculation if they are drilling at depths where the pressure pushes the capability limits of the equipment:


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703969204575220630638397628.html?mod=WSJ_MIDDLESecondNews



I wonder if the Loop Current will pull the slick towards it and once it does it will start entraining it and pulling it towards the Keys?

A hurricane might be the best thing to disperse the oil.
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#159 Postby attallaman » Wed May 05, 2010 12:10 pm

Here's a good article on how the upcoming hurricane season could have an affect on the BP oil spill cleanup in the GOM. The article is courtesy of an environmental website called Livescience.com.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/ ... 00504.html
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#160 Postby thetruesms » Wed May 05, 2010 12:50 pm

Here's a link to some modeling work the USF Ocean Circulation Group has done
http://ocg6.marine.usf.edu/models.html
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