Major Terror plot foiled against U.K.-U.S. bound flights

[x-y-no]

The problem is, as has been demonstrated by several of us, these procedures do nothing to save lives. It is good intelligence that saves lives, as evidenced by this foiled plot.

I'm all for security procedures that accomplish the goal of saving lives. This one, as the rest of them, will not do so. Someone determined to get liquid expoosives onboard will still do so. Meanwhile we're all inconvenienced and worse for nothing.

Well, I don't entirely agree.

Even though, as I said, I can think of a number of ways to defeat these measures, there's still some virtue in not making things easy and also some virtue in showy security. Just how much, I'm not sure, but some. So it's not for nothing.

[stormtruth]

what good is freedom, if we are dead?

something for some to think about

What good is life without liberty? We still have liberty, even with the terribly silly liquid plane ban, but we seem to be slowly losing it in this country. At some point you have to start saying hey how much is too much, you know?

Meanwhile, it looks like the whole terrorism stop was the result of a muslim tip so apparently we have a muslim to thank for stopping this. So, thank you Muslim peep!

Here's a funny Snakes on a Plane reference for everyone!
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/08/10/li ... ane_a.html

I have to go work so I can't complain about the new airplane restrictions today but thanks for listening yesterday!

[nystate]

I'm all for security procedures that accomplish the goal of saving lives. This one, as the rest of them, will not do so. Someone determined to get liquid expoosives onboard will still do so. Meanwhile we're all inconvenienced and worse for nothing.

It doesn't matter what we do, it will never be good enough. Does that mean that we should stop trying?

Police will never be able to prevent all the crime in the world. Should we just fire all the cops and give up?

[Derek Ortt]

life is fine

a few inconveniences are nothing. Would rather have that, then have part of my body blown off

[gtalum]

a few inconveniences are nothing. Would rather have that, then have part of my body blown off

I'll take my chances with terrorists before voluntarily ceding any more of my rights and liberties to the government.

[Janice]

Well, those rights you are willing to cede might kill innocent children. We have not been hit since 9/11 and we gave up a lot. It was all worth it and I would be willing to give up more so our country and citizens remain safe.

[swimaster20]

I'll take my chances with terrorists before voluntarily ceding any more of my rights and liberties to the government.

Well, I sure would rather have my life than have freedom. I think life is more important.

[fwbbreeze]

a few inconveniences are nothing. Would rather have that, then have part of my body blown off

I'll take my chances with terrorists before voluntarily ceding any more of my rights and liberties to the government.

Sorry, you really dont have any choice in the matter. Please feel free to go fly on an airplane and envoke you "rights"...see where that gets ya. BTW, even though you might want to "try my chances with terrorists"...I would rather NOT.

fwbbreeze

[gtalum]

Well, I sure would rather have my life than have freedom. I think life is more important.

I'm glad that so many people in the world have different ideas. We'd all be speaking german and/or Japanese if the brave men of the US military felt that way in WW2. And we'd still be speaking English if Americans hadn't risen up in 1776.

Seriously, though, what good is life without liberty? Isn't that why we fight the terrorists instead of converting to Islam?

[GalvestonDuck]

a few inconveniences are nothing. Would rather have that, then have part of my body blown off

I'll take my chances with terrorists before voluntarily ceding any more of my rights and liberties to the government.

The right to take a drink on board a plane? The right to carry cologne, shampoo, or hair gel?

Given the fact that there are drinks available on a plane already, I don't see how you're giving anything up. Heck, try taking a outside drink into a movie theater in plain sight...and that has nothing to do with terrorism. It was a mere privilege that they've taken away, but they aren't depriving you your right to have something to drink.

And it's not like you can't take certain things with you...you just have to pack it in the checked luggage. Same as with sharp objects and weapons.

[sunny]

Seriously, though, what good is life without liberty? Isn't that why we fight the terrorists instead of converting to Islam?

Times have changed gtalum. Come on. Yes the terrorists have forced us to change but it is for safety reason. Goodness.

[gtalum]

IThe right to take a drink on board a plane? The right to carry cologne, shampoo, or hair gel?

Think 4th Amendment.

[P.K.]

IThe right to take a drink on board a plane? The right to carry cologne, shampoo, or hair gel?

Think 4th Amendment.

That won't work with the govt here. I had to Google it to find what it was though.

Seriously we've been dealing with terrorism here for decades (IRA etc) so I don't mind these restrictions.

[sunny]

IThe right to take a drink on board a plane? The right to carry cologne, shampoo, or hair gel?

Think 4th Amendment.

That won't work with the govt here. I had to Google it to find what it was though.

Seriously we've been dealing with terrorism here for decades (IRA etc) so I don't mind these restrictions.

See gtalum. It called "adapting" to the situation. Circumstances dictate that we have to do so.

[Stephanie]

I also want to tip my hat to the Pakistanis for their help with the capture of these terrorists.

[Janice]

You know what is so funny. The people who complain the most about losing their freedoms, will be the first to complain if they get attacked. "Why didn't our government do more to protect us?" You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[gtalum]

You know what else is funny? People who assume things about people they don't know.

I sure as hell complain when my rights get eroded. I also realize that stuff happens and that terrorists will do what they do, but by the numbers we all have an extremely low chance of being directly affected by terrorist attacks.

[Janice]

Ask the people of New York and the people's families who died on the planes on 9/11 how low the possibilities are.

[gtalum]

Ask the people of New York and the people's families who died on the planes on 9/11 how low the possibilities are.

Regardless of what they think emotionally, the probability is very low. Just less than 3000 people were killed in the attacks on 9/11. That's one one-thousandth of a percent of the US population killed in the worst attack on US soil in 60 years. Let the intelligence agencies and law enforcement do their work as they did remarkably well in the UK regarding this recent plot, and I'll take my chances with the few that slip through the cracks.

[GalvestonDuck]

IThe right to take a drink on board a plane? The right to carry cologne, shampoo, or hair gel?

Think 4th Amendment.

How is that a valid argument? Like I said, it's not like they're not allowing us to take them on flights. We just have to pack a little different than before.