if I were given Jacks choice of joining them... you bet I would join the others
Be provided protection from a bunch of murderers back on the beach, as well as the Hostiles
Plus, I'd be a part of a civilization, not just another wild tribe that may be killing people faster than the Hostiles do
"LOST" Thread - Part 2
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Derek Ortt wrote:if I were given Jacks choice of joining them... you bet I would join the others
Be provided protection from a bunch of murderers back on the beach, as well as the Hostiles
Plus, I'd be a part of a civilization, not just another wild tribe that may be killing people faster than the Hostiles do
Derek, I have a question. . .
Why do you think that the Others (Ben, Juliet, Mrs. Klugh, etc)are so good and pure in intentions and actions and the Losties are just " . . another wild tribe that may be killing people faster than the Hostiles do"?
The reason I ask is first, with the exception of Michael deliberating shooting Ana-Lucia and Libby and Locke's part in Boone's death, the Losties aren't exactly killing each other. They lack the amenties of civilization, but it hasn't turn into "Lord of Flies" yet.
Personally, I am suspicious of the Others' intentions and what lurks under veneer of "civilization". Yes, the Losties are "flawed", but I see the same flaws in the Others.
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Derek Ortt wrote:if I were given Jacks choice of joining them... you bet I would join the others
Be provided protection from a bunch of murderers back on the beach, as well as the Hostiles
Plus, I'd be a part of a civilization, not just another wild tribe that may be killing people faster than the Hostiles do
In case you don't remember the others have terrorized the people on the beach, tried to hang Charlie, kidnapped Claire to try to steal her baby, murdered each other, stole a boat, kdinapped Jack, Sawyer, and kate. Made Kate and Sawyer perform hard labor and are apperently holding people against their will, ie the young girl and her boyfriend. Yeah they are a nice bunch.
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how about the raft? they blew up the raft and took hostage Walt.Tstormwatcher wrote:Derek Ortt wrote:if I were given Jacks choice of joining them... you bet I would join the others
Be provided protection from a bunch of murderers back on the beach, as well as the Hostiles
Plus, I'd be a part of a civilization, not just another wild tribe that may be killing people faster than the Hostiles do
In case you don't remember the others have terrorized the people on the beach, tried to hang Charlie, kidnapped Claire to try to steal her baby, murdered each other, stole a boat, kdinapped Jack, Sawyer, and kate. Made Kate and Sawyer perform hard labor and are apperently holding people against their will, ie the young girl and her boyfriend. Yeah they are a nice bunch.
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I like these lists b/c it is hard to keep track of all that's happened in 2.5 seasons so far. Not to be confused with the list the others are talking about. LOL
But there's one thing I'm certain of - the others are not good people. Their definition of "we're the good guys" is a little off, don't you think?!!!
I'd take my chances with the Losties - flawed as they are. Many have been given a second chance and genuinely seem to want to start over (Kate, Locke, Sayid, Jin, etc.). Sawyer still has the con man in him though.
Someone on the IMDB Lost board listed how many Losties have killed someone. It's a long list!
But there's one thing I'm certain of - the others are not good people. Their definition of "we're the good guys" is a little off, don't you think?!!!
I'd take my chances with the Losties - flawed as they are. Many have been given a second chance and genuinely seem to want to start over (Kate, Locke, Sayid, Jin, etc.). Sawyer still has the con man in him though.
Someone on the IMDB Lost board listed how many Losties have killed someone. It's a long list!
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There will be a re-cap show before the season finale at 8:00 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2007. This sorta of confirms that there will be a 2 hour finale (episode 22 and 23). And before anyone asks: No, I don't know what happen to Charlie, if anything. My mind is still reeling about the possibilities of the upcoming "game-changer".
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Promo pictures from Episode 13 "Man from Tallahassee"
Only spoilers in pictures are 1)whose flashback it is and 2)who shows up in the flashback.
Only spoilers in pictures are 1)whose flashback it is and 2)who shows up in the flashback.
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Derek Ortt
sawyer fired the first shot while on the raft.
Also, Sun very coldly shot Coleen
We also do not know what Charley did to be hung, that part was never revealed to us
As for the baby... well duh! They could have raised the baby with the proper medical care, or left him with a very unstable mother and a bunch of murderers. They'd be bad people for NOT trying to save the baby from that life
Also, on the first night of the tailies, that was an attack by the Hostiles, than backfired on them bigtime. Goodwin was not to report back for 72 hours and the Hostiles did a very good job of sewing the seeds for warfare between the losties and the Others (Nathan may also have been one of the Hostiles since he was not on the flight either, had Goodwin not have taken care of him, he'd be of a very low moral character)
As for the Hostiles, keep a close eye on Danielle. It would not surprise me at all to learn that she may be one of the Hostiles' leaders. She thinks of one thing, KILL
Also, Sun very coldly shot Coleen
We also do not know what Charley did to be hung, that part was never revealed to us
As for the baby... well duh! They could have raised the baby with the proper medical care, or left him with a very unstable mother and a bunch of murderers. They'd be bad people for NOT trying to save the baby from that life
Also, on the first night of the tailies, that was an attack by the Hostiles, than backfired on them bigtime. Goodwin was not to report back for 72 hours and the Hostiles did a very good job of sewing the seeds for warfare between the losties and the Others (Nathan may also have been one of the Hostiles since he was not on the flight either, had Goodwin not have taken care of him, he'd be of a very low moral character)
As for the Hostiles, keep a close eye on Danielle. It would not surprise me at all to learn that she may be one of the Hostiles' leaders. She thinks of one thing, KILL
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Derek Ortt wrote:sawyer fired the first shot while on the raft.
self-defense?? I believe the people on the boat wanted Walt and could of cared less about anyone else. After re-reading the synopsis of Exodus Part 2, I don't see where Sawyer shot first. It says that Sawyer was shot before he could pull the gun.
Also, Sun very coldly shot Coleen
Again, self-defense. Sun was pregnant. She probably remembered what Others were going do to Claire after the birth of Aaron.
Unwanted baggage. Ethan wanted Claire. Actually he wanted the baby, Aaron.We also do not know what Charley did to be hung, that part was never revealed to us
As for the baby... well duh! They could have raised the baby with the proper medical care, or left him with a very unstable mother and a bunch of murderers. They'd be bad people for NOT trying to save the baby from that life
We don't know why the Others wanted the children yet. Fertility experiments? Mind Control Experiments? Children are easier to manipulate than adults.
Also, on the first night of the tailies, that was an attack by the Hostiles, than backfired on them bigtime. Goodwin was not to report back for 72 hours and the Hostiles did a very good job of sewing the seeds for warfare between the losties and the Others (Nathan may also have been one of the Hostiles since he was not on the flight either, had Goodwin not have taken care of him, he'd be of a very low moral character)
Goodwin worked for Ben. Ethan worked for Ben. The children were grabbed at the order of Ben. Why do the Others want the kids? What is the criteria to get on "list"? Did you not see them recently in the Other's camp with Cindy, the flight attendant? One of kids had that teddy bear that was featured several times in Season 1.
As for the Hostiles, keep a close eye on Danielle. It would not surprise me at all to learn that she may be one of the Hostiles' leaders. She thinks of one thing, KILL
Agreed. Some things have been a bit convenient. I would watch for Locke and the difference between Jack and him.
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The kids WERE NOT TAKEN ON NIGHT 1. They were taken on night 12, when Ana Lucia killed one of the others. The Hostiles likely attacked on night when, when Eko killed two of them. This seems to be a point of confusion among LOST fans.
The others have the kids, at least most of them as indicated by Goodwin. There is some question regarding the kids in the Eko and Jin scene as the teddy bears may have been different.
After the first night attack on the tailies by the Hostiles, yeah, get the kids out of there and to a place of relative safety.
We know that the others DID NOT attack the tailes the first night as no tracks were left. The Hostiles do not leave tracks, while Jack had no problem following Ethan's tracks. Two very different groups and the Hostiles should be feared if not outright killed pre-emptively as they show no mercy at all. A question should be does Danielle leave tracks? I have not noticed any and she was able to sneak into the Losties camp and take Aaron (I'd rather the child be with Ben and not Danielle)
We also do not know what was going to happen after the birth of Claire. Alex is not exactly the most trustworthy either as she has lied many times to the Losties (such as suggesting that they were going to harm Kate)
The others have the kids, at least most of them as indicated by Goodwin. There is some question regarding the kids in the Eko and Jin scene as the teddy bears may have been different.
After the first night attack on the tailies by the Hostiles, yeah, get the kids out of there and to a place of relative safety.
We know that the others DID NOT attack the tailes the first night as no tracks were left. The Hostiles do not leave tracks, while Jack had no problem following Ethan's tracks. Two very different groups and the Hostiles should be feared if not outright killed pre-emptively as they show no mercy at all. A question should be does Danielle leave tracks? I have not noticed any and she was able to sneak into the Losties camp and take Aaron (I'd rather the child be with Ben and not Danielle)
We also do not know what was going to happen after the birth of Claire. Alex is not exactly the most trustworthy either as she has lied many times to the Losties (such as suggesting that they were going to harm Kate)
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Calling all John Locke fans- here's a TV Guide interview with Terry O'Quinn. There are bound to be spoilers or hints in this article, so do not read if you don't like spoilers!
Tuesday, March 20, 2007
Terry O'Quinn Teases a "Spectacular" Lost Reveal!
by Matt Webb Mitovich
The origin of Jack's tattoos? Puh-lease. On this Wednesday's Lost (10 pm/ET, on ABC), longtime fans will get the answer to a far more provocative mystery: What paralyzed John Locke and landed him in a wheelchair in the first place? Terry O'Quinn shared with TVGuide.com a sneak peek. Plus, the original cast member's thoughts on airing next season without a break.
TVGuide.com: According to the ABC summary for this episode, "Ben tries to persuade a determined Locke to call off his destructive plan by offering him some of the secrets of the island." What can you tease about Locke's plan?
Terry O'Quinn: Nothing. [Laughs] I don't know how to do teases. There are no revelations I can give you because I'm not careful enough. I don't know what's safe to say or what's not safe to say.
TVGuide.com: Which island secrets would you say Locke is most interested in? What would be the best carrot for Ben to dangle?
O'Quinn: Probably anything that points toward the origin of the power he perceives the island to have, where it comes from. How do the Others fit into it and how can he fit into it and make it work and preserve and protect it?
TVGuide.com: Right, because Locke's always been of the mindset that the island itself is some sort of entity to be reckoned with.
O'Quinn: As unclear as everything is, that's what he would like to believe.
TVGuide.com: We're going to find out why Locke was in a wheelchair. How did that reveal rate with you, and how do you think fans will take to it?
O'Quinn: I thought it was pretty good. To me it was never about how he ended up in the wheelchair, but the simple fact that he was in it and that he was released from it [after the crash]. But then people seemed to think that it was a big deal how it happened, and I was afraid that the revelation would be pretty pedestrian and might be a disappointment — kind of like sex, you know? [Laughs]
TVGuide.com: Are the circumstances of his paralysis tied into another castaway's backstory?
O'Quinn: I don't know if that's the case or not.... But I think [the reveal] is pretty spectacular. I don't think people will be disappointed. It stretches that suspension of disbelief just like so many things on Lost do, but if you're willing to go along with it, it's pretty cool.
TVGuide.com: Yeah, one of Lost's first "wow" moments was in that Australia travel agency, when we first saw that he was in the wheelchair, so it'd be neat to come full circle on that story.
O'Quinn: Yeah. I think there are a couple of "wow" moments, a couple of big moments in this episode.
TVGuide.com: I see a few detectives on the guest-cast list. Are they a part of his backstory?
O'Quinn: Yeah. Yeah.
TVGuide.com: Do you feel like the show has been improving the beach-versus-Others balance as of late?
O'Quinn: I really don't know where it's going. After talking to the producers or the writers a few times, depending on your persistence you realize that it's an exercise in futility — especially if you call with an agenda, if you say you want something to happen, or.... They're going to write what they're going to write, and they've got the story planned out to the extent that they can't take major detours to satisfy any particular actor.
TVGuide.com: Or to satisfy any fan base, or the audience at large.
O'Quinn: That's probably who I would listen to a little bit more, but that's the road to destruction, too, because then you wander around trying to please this person and then please that person. I think they have to go with what they go with. I don't know any actor who would say, "This show would be better if there were less of me in it." [Laughs] I like my work and I love the character, so I would like to do it more, but they've got a lot of balls to keep in the air.
TVGuide.com: When do you enjoy playing Locke the most?
O'Quinn: When I get to sit down or walk and talk with another character, where I actually get to talk to somebody about "normal" things, about human emotion or things like that. I haven't gotten to do a lot of that lately, because Locke sort of has his own agenda and is on his own mission, and it's pretty private. But I've always enjoyed where the stories overlapped, the scenes where I get to reach into other people's stories and have some input.
TVGuide.com: I'm reminded of when we realized Locke was building a crib for Claire.
O'Quinn: Right. I can only respond as the actor, but Locke had this feeling in the first season when he saw the hatch, he thought, "Maybe this is the answer, something that I can get a hold of and will help me keep that feeling." But once he [entered] the hatch, he basically lost it. Ever since then, he's been scrambling to get it back, and sometimes not so cleverly, sometimes not so gracefully. But that's what he wants to find again and preserve. That and a little love! My impression is that he wants to belong, that he wants to have faith in someone.
TVGuide.com: Maybe the next Dharma parcel drop can include Katey Sagal.
Quinn: [Laughs] I'm not sure if that's the answer or not.
TVGuide.com: This season we had six episodes, then a long break. What would be the ramifications for the cast if for Season 4, ABC wanted to air the entire run straight through, 24-style?
O'Quinn: Personally, I think it would be wonderful. This series is so much like a film in its production values and its storytelling, I would think that was spot-on. I would say, "Let's do it all in a row, not do reruns, not do holes, but make it consistent and reliable so that people can watch it and keep track of it." [As for this season] I would have gone 12 [episodes] and 12. What [the actual schedule] didn't do was tie everybody into the new season, it basically focused on the Others and Jack and Sawyer and Kate. It was a bit unbalanced both in terms of the number of episodes and in terms of the presentation of the characters, I thought.
TVGuide.com: Regarding the situation earlier this season with Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (Mr. Eko): With the Lost production isolated out there in the remotes of Hawaii, does that make it harder for a newcomer to mesh with the cast?
O'Quinn: That wouldn't surprise me, if that were the case. Initially, everybody was pretty tight — people hung out together and stuff, although I am geographically far away from the rest of the cast. But I think that might be the case because people now have found their own niches. If you come here, you're pretty much isolated. People here are already sort of past that [hanging out] stage, so if you get shipped out here from California to work on this show, you're kind of on your own. You'll be staying in a hotel downtown, and it's not like you're going to be hanging out a lot with other cast members necessarily. So I could see how if it's important for you to fit in and socialize with the people with whom you work, it wouldn't be as easy here, and you wouldn't have a lot of options here.
TVGuide.com: You're in one of ABC's Masters of Science Fiction episodes, airing later this year. What can you say about it?
O'Quinn: It's probably very Locke-like, the character, and the situation is another one of those things where the person has had hard knocks and has a test of fate. [The exact plot] is a sin to reveal, but this guy is a retired sort of NASA problem-solver, and he had tremendous personal loss, and something really remarkable begins to happen in the Middle East to the warriors from all sides. They can't solve it, so they come to this guy to figure it out.
TVGuide.com: Are you a science-fiction fan by nature?
O'Quinn: Not really. The closer it can get to reality, the more likely I am to cotton to it.
TVGuide.com: So it's not like you're lobbying J.J. Abrams to include you in his Star Trek film?
O'Quinn: Nooo... I'm not lobbying J.J. Abrams at all. I never really did. J.J. Abrams told me, while I was doing Alias for peanuts, that one day we would work together and he would get me a regular part on one of his series, and he came through just like he said he would, which I get the impression is the exception in Hollywood. He just called me and offered me this job, and it came along at just the right time. I said yes without any quibbles.
TVGuide.com: It was in the news that ABC is premiering in May a celebrity-impersonators reality series — and I understand you do a mean Neil Young....
O'Quinn: Oh, I used to. Back in the day, I used to. But Neil Young, his voice doesn't change too much, he still sounds like he did when I was in college. I don't! My voice is a bit heavier, deeper now. But I can still play his songs!
Tuesday, March 20, 2007
Terry O'Quinn Teases a "Spectacular" Lost Reveal!
by Matt Webb Mitovich
The origin of Jack's tattoos? Puh-lease. On this Wednesday's Lost (10 pm/ET, on ABC), longtime fans will get the answer to a far more provocative mystery: What paralyzed John Locke and landed him in a wheelchair in the first place? Terry O'Quinn shared with TVGuide.com a sneak peek. Plus, the original cast member's thoughts on airing next season without a break.
TVGuide.com: According to the ABC summary for this episode, "Ben tries to persuade a determined Locke to call off his destructive plan by offering him some of the secrets of the island." What can you tease about Locke's plan?
Terry O'Quinn: Nothing. [Laughs] I don't know how to do teases. There are no revelations I can give you because I'm not careful enough. I don't know what's safe to say or what's not safe to say.
TVGuide.com: Which island secrets would you say Locke is most interested in? What would be the best carrot for Ben to dangle?
O'Quinn: Probably anything that points toward the origin of the power he perceives the island to have, where it comes from. How do the Others fit into it and how can he fit into it and make it work and preserve and protect it?
TVGuide.com: Right, because Locke's always been of the mindset that the island itself is some sort of entity to be reckoned with.
O'Quinn: As unclear as everything is, that's what he would like to believe.
TVGuide.com: We're going to find out why Locke was in a wheelchair. How did that reveal rate with you, and how do you think fans will take to it?
O'Quinn: I thought it was pretty good. To me it was never about how he ended up in the wheelchair, but the simple fact that he was in it and that he was released from it [after the crash]. But then people seemed to think that it was a big deal how it happened, and I was afraid that the revelation would be pretty pedestrian and might be a disappointment — kind of like sex, you know? [Laughs]
TVGuide.com: Are the circumstances of his paralysis tied into another castaway's backstory?
O'Quinn: I don't know if that's the case or not.... But I think [the reveal] is pretty spectacular. I don't think people will be disappointed. It stretches that suspension of disbelief just like so many things on Lost do, but if you're willing to go along with it, it's pretty cool.
TVGuide.com: Yeah, one of Lost's first "wow" moments was in that Australia travel agency, when we first saw that he was in the wheelchair, so it'd be neat to come full circle on that story.
O'Quinn: Yeah. I think there are a couple of "wow" moments, a couple of big moments in this episode.
TVGuide.com: I see a few detectives on the guest-cast list. Are they a part of his backstory?
O'Quinn: Yeah. Yeah.
TVGuide.com: Do you feel like the show has been improving the beach-versus-Others balance as of late?
O'Quinn: I really don't know where it's going. After talking to the producers or the writers a few times, depending on your persistence you realize that it's an exercise in futility — especially if you call with an agenda, if you say you want something to happen, or.... They're going to write what they're going to write, and they've got the story planned out to the extent that they can't take major detours to satisfy any particular actor.
TVGuide.com: Or to satisfy any fan base, or the audience at large.
O'Quinn: That's probably who I would listen to a little bit more, but that's the road to destruction, too, because then you wander around trying to please this person and then please that person. I think they have to go with what they go with. I don't know any actor who would say, "This show would be better if there were less of me in it." [Laughs] I like my work and I love the character, so I would like to do it more, but they've got a lot of balls to keep in the air.
TVGuide.com: When do you enjoy playing Locke the most?
O'Quinn: When I get to sit down or walk and talk with another character, where I actually get to talk to somebody about "normal" things, about human emotion or things like that. I haven't gotten to do a lot of that lately, because Locke sort of has his own agenda and is on his own mission, and it's pretty private. But I've always enjoyed where the stories overlapped, the scenes where I get to reach into other people's stories and have some input.
TVGuide.com: I'm reminded of when we realized Locke was building a crib for Claire.
O'Quinn: Right. I can only respond as the actor, but Locke had this feeling in the first season when he saw the hatch, he thought, "Maybe this is the answer, something that I can get a hold of and will help me keep that feeling." But once he [entered] the hatch, he basically lost it. Ever since then, he's been scrambling to get it back, and sometimes not so cleverly, sometimes not so gracefully. But that's what he wants to find again and preserve. That and a little love! My impression is that he wants to belong, that he wants to have faith in someone.
TVGuide.com: Maybe the next Dharma parcel drop can include Katey Sagal.
Quinn: [Laughs] I'm not sure if that's the answer or not.
TVGuide.com: This season we had six episodes, then a long break. What would be the ramifications for the cast if for Season 4, ABC wanted to air the entire run straight through, 24-style?
O'Quinn: Personally, I think it would be wonderful. This series is so much like a film in its production values and its storytelling, I would think that was spot-on. I would say, "Let's do it all in a row, not do reruns, not do holes, but make it consistent and reliable so that people can watch it and keep track of it." [As for this season] I would have gone 12 [episodes] and 12. What [the actual schedule] didn't do was tie everybody into the new season, it basically focused on the Others and Jack and Sawyer and Kate. It was a bit unbalanced both in terms of the number of episodes and in terms of the presentation of the characters, I thought.
TVGuide.com: Regarding the situation earlier this season with Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (Mr. Eko): With the Lost production isolated out there in the remotes of Hawaii, does that make it harder for a newcomer to mesh with the cast?
O'Quinn: That wouldn't surprise me, if that were the case. Initially, everybody was pretty tight — people hung out together and stuff, although I am geographically far away from the rest of the cast. But I think that might be the case because people now have found their own niches. If you come here, you're pretty much isolated. People here are already sort of past that [hanging out] stage, so if you get shipped out here from California to work on this show, you're kind of on your own. You'll be staying in a hotel downtown, and it's not like you're going to be hanging out a lot with other cast members necessarily. So I could see how if it's important for you to fit in and socialize with the people with whom you work, it wouldn't be as easy here, and you wouldn't have a lot of options here.
TVGuide.com: You're in one of ABC's Masters of Science Fiction episodes, airing later this year. What can you say about it?
O'Quinn: It's probably very Locke-like, the character, and the situation is another one of those things where the person has had hard knocks and has a test of fate. [The exact plot] is a sin to reveal, but this guy is a retired sort of NASA problem-solver, and he had tremendous personal loss, and something really remarkable begins to happen in the Middle East to the warriors from all sides. They can't solve it, so they come to this guy to figure it out.
TVGuide.com: Are you a science-fiction fan by nature?
O'Quinn: Not really. The closer it can get to reality, the more likely I am to cotton to it.
TVGuide.com: So it's not like you're lobbying J.J. Abrams to include you in his Star Trek film?
O'Quinn: Nooo... I'm not lobbying J.J. Abrams at all. I never really did. J.J. Abrams told me, while I was doing Alias for peanuts, that one day we would work together and he would get me a regular part on one of his series, and he came through just like he said he would, which I get the impression is the exception in Hollywood. He just called me and offered me this job, and it came along at just the right time. I said yes without any quibbles.
TVGuide.com: It was in the news that ABC is premiering in May a celebrity-impersonators reality series — and I understand you do a mean Neil Young....
O'Quinn: Oh, I used to. Back in the day, I used to. But Neil Young, his voice doesn't change too much, he still sounds like he did when I was in college. I don't! My voice is a bit heavier, deeper now. But I can still play his songs!
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On official Lost podcast, we now have an answer on the The Others = Hostiles question:
[spoil]
The Others are the Hostiles. [/spoil]
Summary of the podcast:
The Nikki and Paulo episode will be a good one and they confirm the title is called Exposé, with an accent, and that it will answer a big mythological question
We will learn more about Locke's motivations
Him is Jacob
Is Mikhail really dead?
We should believe what Mikhail says apart from that he was Dharma
The Others didn't know or had limited knowledge about the Swan station
We are not done with Dharma by a long shot.
Also, tonight's episode suposedly rocks. . . I haven't read Insiderscoop's summary, but those who have are happy and excited about the episode.
[spoil]
The Others are the Hostiles. [/spoil]
Summary of the podcast:
The Nikki and Paulo episode will be a good one and they confirm the title is called Exposé, with an accent, and that it will answer a big mythological question
We will learn more about Locke's motivations
Him is Jacob
Is Mikhail really dead?
We should believe what Mikhail says apart from that he was Dharma
The Others didn't know or had limited knowledge about the Swan station
We are not done with Dharma by a long shot.
Also, tonight's episode suposedly rocks. . . I haven't read Insiderscoop's summary, but those who have are happy and excited about the episode.
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Miss Mary
Yeah, what is up with that? I think I'll just move to Canada.....lol. Since we did vacation there twice and loved it. So it's a good episode. Can't wait! Our local paper said Kate is bitter towards Jack, who by all appearances and actions, appears to have made a deal with the others (insert, devil here if you wish! Not you Derek, 
, !) Ah, but the Jack I have rooted for since the pilot on, has always had the Losties' best interests at heart. Kate should trust that he will again. I just hope she doesn't blow his cover.....
T minus 20 minutes now....
, !) Ah, but the Jack I have rooted for since the pilot on, has always had the Losties' best interests at heart. Kate should trust that he will again. I just hope she doesn't blow his cover.....
T minus 20 minutes now....
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Miss Mary wrote:Yeah, what is up with that? I think I'll just move to Canada.....lol. Since we did vacation there twice and loved it. So it's a good episode. Can't wait! Our local paper said Kate is bitter towards Jack, who by all appearances and actions, appears to have made a deal with the others (insert, devil here if you wish! Not you Derek,
T minus 20 minutes now....
They see it at 8:00 pm. No American Idol to deal with. . and I don't think Canadian Idol has started yet.
Kate should stop worrying about Jack and his motives. There is someone else she needs to worry about.
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Kelly - me either! But he does bring a certain, craziness to our obsession with this show. I'm just like this with almost all my shows. I quickly find a favorite, usually male and usually the good guy. In other words, I never root for a Darth Vader type. Yeah, I'm a SW fan too......so shoot me. LOL!!!
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Miss Mary
Well once again, a few answers but mostly, more questions. And analogies/ironies - Ben in a wheelchair while Locke is walking again. My daughter asked why Locke wanted the sub and I said - to blow it up. That's what he's known for now. But jokingly. I pictured a crazed Locke trying to man a sub, alone. LOL! Couldn't believe he actually blew it up. But we couldn't allow Jack to leave the island, now could we?
Kate's heart is literally torn between two men. Saw that one coming.......yep, that bad boy is appealing in the beginning but the good guy usually wins, although this love triangle isn't over, by a long shot. At this rate, it will take forever to play out. But I did feel bad for Sawyer last night, seeing Kate with Jack again.
And previews for next week! I have come to no longer trust them so although they want us to believe Sun is working with the others, I'll believe it when I see it. But jokingly I blurted out - Jin isn't her baby's father, an other is! But like the sub storyline, maybe I'll be right about that thought?
Mary
PS - *Edit* Here is the Thursday morning TV Guide Lost review - I ask - could you start your Thursday without it? he he If you're ever interested in other fans' comments, click on the link below, they follow the review, at the bottom. Comments usually go several pages long, usually 4 or 5.
TV Guide
http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jsp ... 4#comments
Lost
by Sabrina Rojas Weiss
March 21, 2007: "My Dad in a Box"
For a guy who thinks he's so darn clever all the time, Locke sure is gullible. Help me count the ways in which this man has been fooled, 'cause I know I'm going to forget some: 1) His "birth mother" helped him find his "birth father," Anthony Cooper, who stole his kidney, and it's never been proven for sure that those are his parents. (No one mentions the fact that, even with that bad hair dye, Terry O'Quinn looks about five years older than Swoosie Kurtz and Kevin Tighe, but that's besides the point.) 2) His "dad" somehow convinced him he wanted to make up the loss of a kidney with a big bundle of money but instead left him high and dry and without his very nice girlfriend. I totally forgot the details of that episode, but I do remember thinking, "Gee, Locke will believe anything." 3) He believed that Ben was just a victim of Jack and Sayid's paranoia, back when Ben was Henry. 4) He let that undercover agent into the happy hippie pot farm. 5) He somehow convinced himself that, after all his dad's evildoings, the guy would just up and surrender to Locke's command to leave his latest mark without a fight. I'm not sure whether to add No. 6, letting Ben manipulate him into blowing up the submarine, because I'm pretty sure Locke would have done it anyway, given his love of pyrotechnics. All this and the only people we've ever seen Locke suspicious of was poor Charlie. The guy has bad instincts about people.
That first flashback scene had me fooled, though, as we saw him getting interviewed for disability benefits, obviously meant to make us believe he was in a wheelchair already, but instead he was suffering from debilitating depression. Even in such a fragile state, I can't figure out why he wouldn't spill the whole story when Peter Talbot came to his door. It doesn't seem like ole Anthony had earned much of his loyalty, so why not tell this willing audience all about the con man? Perhaps this was the beginning of Locke's hero complex. It's too bad most of us knew this was going to be the episode in which Locke's "accident" would be revealed — it was pretty shocking to see Anthony push him through that eighth-floor window (mostly I was shocked that there wasn't a car involved), but I think it might have had a bigger impact if we hadn't been expecting it the whole time. I know, I'm griping a lot here, so let me go over the good part of this flashback: the acting. Unlike last week, when I felt nothing for Claire and her mother, this week Terry O'Quinn took us on Locke's whole emotional journey, especially when he first sat in that wheelchair. By the way, here's a great interview with O'Quinn about this episode.
Back in the present: First, I think we need to sit Kate and Sayid down and teach them once and for all that the Others have surveillance equipment. It gets them every time, doesn't it? But every scene between Kate and Jack made me forget those silly details, too. Heart-rending looks. The unspoken accusation about Kate's night with Sawyer. And Jack's last whisper in her ear about coming back for her. Sure, it's kinda the stuff of romance novels, but I got shivers just the same. And I enjoyed the jealous look on Juliet's face, too.
I've had an epiphany about Ben, everyone, and it's going to clear up a lot of things for you. The reason he's so unsettling and powerful? He has no eyelashes. That's what gives him that reptilian quality that makes him seem so all-knowing and calculating. Locke tried his best to match that tone — taunting Ben about not being healed by the island, eating chicken in the middle of a threatening conversation — but he's just too hot-blooded. Please tell me that I'm not the only one who started humming the Andy Samberg-Justin Timberlake tune when Ben started in about a box that held whatever you wanted it to. But seriously, folks. It's really hard to tell when Ben's talking literally or figuratively. Most of the time, like tonight, he's rather literal: It's Locke's dad in a box. I assume that's what he meant by "the man from Tallahassee," but that answers very little in the grand scheme of things. How long has Anthony been there? Is he really a prisoner, or is it just another trap? Do we really believe Ben and Mikhail that the "anomaly" broke down their communications with the outside world? And will Ben have a mutiny on his hands now that their main means of transport off the island has been John-Locked to smithereens?
Kate's heart is literally torn between two men. Saw that one coming.......yep, that bad boy is appealing in the beginning but the good guy usually wins, although this love triangle isn't over, by a long shot. At this rate, it will take forever to play out. But I did feel bad for Sawyer last night, seeing Kate with Jack again.
And previews for next week! I have come to no longer trust them so although they want us to believe Sun is working with the others, I'll believe it when I see it. But jokingly I blurted out - Jin isn't her baby's father, an other is! But like the sub storyline, maybe I'll be right about that thought?
Mary
PS - *Edit* Here is the Thursday morning TV Guide Lost review - I ask - could you start your Thursday without it? he he If you're ever interested in other fans' comments, click on the link below, they follow the review, at the bottom. Comments usually go several pages long, usually 4 or 5.
TV Guide
http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jsp ... 4#comments
Lost
by Sabrina Rojas Weiss
March 21, 2007: "My Dad in a Box"
For a guy who thinks he's so darn clever all the time, Locke sure is gullible. Help me count the ways in which this man has been fooled, 'cause I know I'm going to forget some: 1) His "birth mother" helped him find his "birth father," Anthony Cooper, who stole his kidney, and it's never been proven for sure that those are his parents. (No one mentions the fact that, even with that bad hair dye, Terry O'Quinn looks about five years older than Swoosie Kurtz and Kevin Tighe, but that's besides the point.) 2) His "dad" somehow convinced him he wanted to make up the loss of a kidney with a big bundle of money but instead left him high and dry and without his very nice girlfriend. I totally forgot the details of that episode, but I do remember thinking, "Gee, Locke will believe anything." 3) He believed that Ben was just a victim of Jack and Sayid's paranoia, back when Ben was Henry. 4) He let that undercover agent into the happy hippie pot farm. 5) He somehow convinced himself that, after all his dad's evildoings, the guy would just up and surrender to Locke's command to leave his latest mark without a fight. I'm not sure whether to add No. 6, letting Ben manipulate him into blowing up the submarine, because I'm pretty sure Locke would have done it anyway, given his love of pyrotechnics. All this and the only people we've ever seen Locke suspicious of was poor Charlie. The guy has bad instincts about people.
That first flashback scene had me fooled, though, as we saw him getting interviewed for disability benefits, obviously meant to make us believe he was in a wheelchair already, but instead he was suffering from debilitating depression. Even in such a fragile state, I can't figure out why he wouldn't spill the whole story when Peter Talbot came to his door. It doesn't seem like ole Anthony had earned much of his loyalty, so why not tell this willing audience all about the con man? Perhaps this was the beginning of Locke's hero complex. It's too bad most of us knew this was going to be the episode in which Locke's "accident" would be revealed — it was pretty shocking to see Anthony push him through that eighth-floor window (mostly I was shocked that there wasn't a car involved), but I think it might have had a bigger impact if we hadn't been expecting it the whole time. I know, I'm griping a lot here, so let me go over the good part of this flashback: the acting. Unlike last week, when I felt nothing for Claire and her mother, this week Terry O'Quinn took us on Locke's whole emotional journey, especially when he first sat in that wheelchair. By the way, here's a great interview with O'Quinn about this episode.
Back in the present: First, I think we need to sit Kate and Sayid down and teach them once and for all that the Others have surveillance equipment. It gets them every time, doesn't it? But every scene between Kate and Jack made me forget those silly details, too. Heart-rending looks. The unspoken accusation about Kate's night with Sawyer. And Jack's last whisper in her ear about coming back for her. Sure, it's kinda the stuff of romance novels, but I got shivers just the same. And I enjoyed the jealous look on Juliet's face, too.
I've had an epiphany about Ben, everyone, and it's going to clear up a lot of things for you. The reason he's so unsettling and powerful? He has no eyelashes. That's what gives him that reptilian quality that makes him seem so all-knowing and calculating. Locke tried his best to match that tone — taunting Ben about not being healed by the island, eating chicken in the middle of a threatening conversation — but he's just too hot-blooded. Please tell me that I'm not the only one who started humming the Andy Samberg-Justin Timberlake tune when Ben started in about a box that held whatever you wanted it to. But seriously, folks. It's really hard to tell when Ben's talking literally or figuratively. Most of the time, like tonight, he's rather literal: It's Locke's dad in a box. I assume that's what he meant by "the man from Tallahassee," but that answers very little in the grand scheme of things. How long has Anthony been there? Is he really a prisoner, or is it just another trap? Do we really believe Ben and Mikhail that the "anomaly" broke down their communications with the outside world? And will Ben have a mutiny on his hands now that their main means of transport off the island has been John-Locked to smithereens?
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