North Korea Nuclear Standoff

[cycloneye]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16825434/



This ban of iPods is for the elite people of North Korea including Kim Jon Ill who likes them a lot as part of the U.N sanctions.

[conestogo_flood]

Woah. Thats getting personal now...

[cycloneye]

Russia Warns North Korea



North Korea's nuclear weapons capability threatens Russian interests, Moscow's chief negotiator at international talks with Pyongyang said Wednesday, warning the country against carrying out another military test.

Russia is warning North Korea about making a new Missile test.They say it would pose grave consequenses.

[MiamiensisWx]

That's an utter joke.



Russia has imposed these warnings numerous times recently. None of it is successful nor offers any specific solutions.

It's like regurgitating old information and advice that we already know. It's also been attempted several times already and is highly ineffective. It is also very incomprehensive and is not specific.

On a serious note, there have already been plenty of notices, threats of sanctions, and plans for potential effective responses and talks, yet it hasn't solved the various issues at hand successfully via diplomacy and action. It also hasn't truly addressed potential strategies for solving the issues on a solid basis. Given the history of the politics and economic quagmires in the region, I highly doubt more warnings will make any significant effects.

More warnings simply won't solve anything. Period.

[cycloneye]

That's an utter joke.



Russia has imposed these warnings numerous times recently. None of it is successful nor offers any specific solutions.

It's like regurgitating old information and advice that we already know. It's also been attempted several times already and is highly ineffective. It is also very incomprehensive and is not specific.

On a serious note, there have already been plenty of notices, threats of sanctions, and plans for potential effective responses and talks, yet it hasn't solved the various issues at hand successfully via diplomacy and action. It also hasn't truly addressed potential strategies for solving the issues on a solid basis. Given the history of the politics and economic quagmires in the region, I highly doubt more warnings will make any significant effects.

More warnings simply won't solve anything. Period.

What you mean is that the only way to resolve the North Korea Nuclear Standoff is by military action?

[MiamiensisWx]

What you mean is that the only way to resolve the North Korea Nuclear Standoff is by military action?

My main point is that the situation is not being handled effectively. Most of the proposed actions have not been executed in manners crucial to dealing with internal processes within North Korea; thus, many issues within in the region have not been properly solved and regional issues and problems intertwined with North Korea's nuclear uses and defense actions (and potential problematic actions with Iran) continue to resurface.

[cycloneye]

My thinking about the North Korean Nuclear Standoff is that before any military action is taken,all the parties must use all the diplomatic channels possible to try to turn around the leadership of North Korea and dismantle their nuclear program. I say the leadership because those poor people in that country are starving bigtime.

[Derek Ortt]

Cyc, I have to disagree fully with you

NK has been playing these games with diplomacy for years. The result was them acquiring nuclear weapons and close to developing ICBMs. The money came from us, through their manuevering, via the "famine", which I would not be surprised if it was faked like the Ukranian "famine" of the 1930s (which resulted in the Ukranians joining the SS, but thats another argument)

In addition, that ahve openly allied themselves with Iran and Venezuela and are actively assisting Iran with their nuclear and missle technology (in other words, giving it to them outright). Diplomacy has failed and after 13 years of negotiating, IMO, the time has come that NK must be eliminated, or else they will properly equip Iran and even worse, Venezuela, and will have a real threat to our homeland.

[kevin]

Their rocket can't get off the pad. Korean stuff doesn't work. Especially North Korean stuff.

Their bomb is too big to fit on a missile let alone a rocket. The difference is to attack the US one has to touch space.

Right now we can actually carpetbomb the DMZ, and destroy the North Korean military, and they can do absolutely nothing except destroy Seoul, kill thousands of US troops, and drop missiles on Japan. We can knock down any of their planes. We can intercept any nuclear bomb beforehand.

MAD doesn't apply to us and them, they know it, and we can make them give in to concession.

Remember, Americans, there is almost always time to talk, and those who would have you run to decisions, are trying to move things faster than logic.

[conestogo_flood]

Whose side is Russia on anyways?

I remember a few years back hearing that Russia was re-installing the nuclear weapon defense system, just like they had in the Cold War. And lately, it doesn't seem like Russia is actually doing anything or saying anything, they are just trying to stay in the picture. If you look at it one way, maybe they are secretly on NK's side... maybe they aren't. How can we know, we are only civilians.

Might be a crazy thought, but it's never out of question.

[Janie2006]

Whose side is Russia on anyways?

I remember a few years back hearing that Russia was re-installing the nuclear weapon defense system, just like they had in the Cold War. And lately, it doesn't seem like Russia is actually doing anything or saying anything, they are just trying to stay in the picture. If you look at it one way, maybe they are secretly on NK's side... maybe they aren't. How can we know, we are only civilians.

Might be a crazy thought, but it's never out of question.

Russia is on Russia's side. No doubt the Bear seeks to re-establish some of that hegemony lost when the USSR collapsed. Thing about Russia is, when they move, they do so pretty quietly. Most of the information I've seen indicates that Putin is fully engaged in concentrating as much power in the Kremlin's hands as possible....and I mean power that is taken from private corporate hands and placed in the hands of the Russian state.

What does this mean for NK? Maybe the Russians are serious, maybe they aren't. I do know that its going to be impossible to completely isolate NK unless you can get the full cooperation of the Chinese and the Russians. I don't see that happening soon, because it is in Chinese interests to have a seemingly rogue North Korean state keeping the US off-balance in the region. A thorn in the side, so to speak.

[cycloneye]

North Korea Wants a Deal



Interesting what NK wants in exchange to halt the nuclear program.Let's see when the talks resume this week if something concrete occurs and the nuclear standoff is over.

[cycloneye]

Progress in Talks



Let's see what occurs as the round of talks go on,however there is a change of heart from NK so we will see if they are serious or not in resolving the nuclear standoff.

[cycloneye]

Agreement Reached,NK agrees to stop Nuke Program

I hope that this is the real deal and not another ploy from them.

[Derek Ortt]

I'll believe it when I see it

Seems like another 1994 agreement, which I hope we do not let them cheat, especially since they are starting everything.

And a term we should include is that helping Iran is a violation of the agreement

[cycloneye]

Oh,but not all is peaches and creams about this tentative deal as some dont like it at all.Here is John Bolton,ex ambassador of the U.S. to the U.N.

But John Bolton, the former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations and onetime chief of the State Department's arms-control division, called the reported draft "a very bad deal."

It makes the Bush administration "look very weak, at a time in Iraq and dealing with Iran that it needs to look strong," Bolton told CNN's Wolf Blitzer Monday.

"I'm hoping that the president has not been fully briefed on it and still has time to reject it," he said.


http://us.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/02 ... index.html

[cycloneye]

North Korea doesnt want Japan to be in the table of talks in retaliation for Japan not sending food aid.The talks for North Korea to disarm their Nuclear Program will resume on Monday.

http://us.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/12 ... index.html

[cycloneye]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Nuclear negotiations with North Korea have stalled but still could be reactivated before the Bush administration leaves office next month, chief U.S. negotiator in the talks Christopher Hill acknowledged.

The latest round of six-nation talks in Beijing reached a stalemate, chief U.S. negotiator Christopher Hill said.

"Is it possible to do in the next week or the next four weeks? I don't know," said Hill, assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific Affairs, at a Washington news conference Tuesday. "I would think it would be possible to do today, if they agreed to do it."

Hill just returned from Beijing, where talks broke down last week over North Korea's refusal to put in writing agreements its officials had made verbally. That would have finalized details of how to verify the abandonment of its entire nuclear program.

The sticking point has come down to what might be an additional half-page of text on definition of terms and the spelling out of various procedures and activities, Hill said

"They don't want to do a verification protocol now. And whether it is because they are waiting for the next administration, whether it's just because they don't want to do it now ... you'll have to ask the North Koreans."

The North Koreans may be "stalling" in hopes of better terms in the future, Hill conceded, but if they are, they might be misreading U.S. politics, he added.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/12/16/us ... cnnSTCText

[cycloneye]

No please,not another war.

South Korean Army on Alert

SEOUL, South Korea - South Korea said its army remained on alert Sunday, a day after North Korea threatened military action in response to Seoul's hard-line stance against its communist regime.

The latest harsh rhetoric from the isolated regime could be a test for Barack Obama days before he is sworn in as the new U.S. president, an analyst said.

The North's Korean People's Army called South Korea's president a "traitor" and accused him of preparing a military provocation, according to a statement carried Saturday by the North's state-run Korean Central News Agency.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28716044/

[Derek Ortt]

in poker terms...

It's time we go all in against NK. We have the best hand. Lets see if they are STUPID enough to call... or cut their losses now