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Re: North Korea Nuclear Standoff

#561 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:08 pm

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Of course Russia opposes sanctions. They continue to act, with both Iran and North Korea, as if they are in a Cold War with the United States.


I think the Russians and Chinese want Iran and North Korea to go nuclear, because those countries or terrorist groups they support would not dare attack Russia or China, because the Russians and Chinese do not fear bad press and bad public opinion. Anyone remember Tianemen Square? The Russian destruction of Grozny with no regard for civilians during the war against Chechen Islamic separatists?

They would retaliate in a heartbeat with no concern for innocent civilians.


They know the US is more vulnerable, and would not retaliate unless the source of an attack was known for certain, and even then would likely try to minimize civilian casualties.


The Russians, in particular, I think, are bad actors. Putin may have grown up a atheistic communist, but while his economic views have changed somewhat, in that he is willing to tolerate a crony capitalism where his friends and allies can profit, he is still a nationalist, and still has the hatred of the West he had trained into him all his life, including during his days as a KGB spymaster.

I think it explains why the Russians oppose a US defensive missile system that could protect allies like Poland and the Czech republic from Iranian nuclear missile strikes, because it would also protect them from Russian blackmail. It also explains the Russians supplying uranium to the Iranians, and selling them advanced anti-air defense systems.
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#562 Postby Derek Ortt » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:20 pm

Russia does not support terrorist groups

In fact, they have even more Al Queda issues than we do. I really like how they respond to Al Queda though and that should also be our response
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#563 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:48 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:Russia does not support terrorist groups

In fact, they have even more Al Queda issues than we do. I really like how they respond to Al Queda though and that should also be our response



They cracked down hard on one al Qaeda affiliated group, in Chechnya, because they were seeking independence from Russia.

Russia supplies uranium and weapons systems to Iran, which is well known as the state sponsor and puppet-master of Hezb'Allah.


Russia is a country run by men like Putin who ran the KGB. The KGB created the PLO, basically. The KGB provided support to terror groups like the Italian Red Brigades, the Irish Republican Army and the German Red Army Faction.


Russia is a force for evil in this world, IMHO.



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al Qaeda was established as a base of organization and support for various Salafist/Wahabbist fundamental terror groups, ranging from the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (now known as al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb) in North Africa to abu Sayyaf in the Philippines and Jamal Islamiah in Malaysia and Indonesia.

Russia destroyed one affiliated group because they wanted independence for their region, and may have launched attacks in Moscow and elsewhere in Russia. (I'm not normally a conspiracy guy, no proof, but it wouldn't surprise me if a former KGB head blew up a few apartment buildings in his own country to help whip up frenzy for a second, final attack on Chechnya).
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#564 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:08 pm

BTW, the first WTC bombing in 1993 was directed by a man, the so-called blind sheikh, who was a member of the Islamic Brotherhood that carried out the assasination of Anway Sadat. The leader of the Islamic Brotherhood, Ayman al-Zawahiri, formed al Qaeda as a support group with Osama bin Laden, and is now second in command. The terror group that controls Gaza, Hamas, was established as the Palestinian wing of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.


The fact that al Qaeda is a network of terror groups that share resources, means the death of a single individual, like Osama bin Laden, who is rumored to be ill with kidney disease, may not mean the end of the group.


BTW, Syria is a secular regime, and Dr. Assad is an Alewite. Alewite Islam is a sub-group of Shia Islam, usually seen as a rival to Sunni Islam. But Syria had an open borders policy for al Qaeda affiliated fighters entering Iraq to fight the US. The Alewite-Shia link may be one reason why Iran and Syria are allies, plus Iran's relationship with Syria gives it a foothold in the Arab world, especially Lebanon.

The Syrian nuclear reactor bombed last year by Israel was reported to have been designed and built by North Korea, BTW.
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Re: North Korea Nuclear Standoff = Quits nuclear talks

#566 Postby cycloneye » Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:50 am

The question is if he still has the power to make decisions as he is very sick or there is another hardline ruler behind the scenes.

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#567 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:08 am

HURAKAN wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7997481.stm

"Angry N Korea quits nuclear talks"



Oh dear, I wonder if China and Russia will permit another sternly worded letter...


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#568 Postby Cryomaniac » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:36 am

If anything this makes military action less likely, since no-one is going to engae a country that has nuclear weapons.
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#569 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:39 am

Cryomaniac wrote:If anything this makes military action less likely, since no-one is going to engae a country that has nuclear weapons.



The time to attack would be now, before they can mate weapons to a delivery system.
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#570 Postby Cryomaniac » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:35 am

Ed Mahmoud wrote:
Cryomaniac wrote:If anything this makes military action less likely, since no-one is going to engae a country that has nuclear weapons.



The time to attack would be now, before they can mate weapons to a delivery system.


I agree, although I think it fairly obvious that the US and South Korean governments don't.
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Re: North Korea Nuclear Standoff: NK orders UN inspectors out

#572 Postby vbhoutex » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:24 pm

Time to shut down their program!!! Smoke and mirrors to say the least. We need to quit playing their game and make them play ours.
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Re: North Korea Nuclear Standoff: NK orders UN inspectors out

#573 Postby Cryomaniac » Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:19 am

vbhoutex wrote:Time to shut down their program!!! Smoke and mirrors to say the least. We need to quit playing their game and make them play ours.


I'd say that a lot of people agree, but like I said, I'm fairly sure those that matter (US and South Korean governments) don't want to attack North Korea, so all we get is more appeasement.
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Re: North Korea Nuclear Standoff: NK orders UN inspectors out

#574 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:20 am

Cryomaniac wrote:
vbhoutex wrote:Time to shut down their program!!! Smoke and mirrors to say the least. We need to quit playing their game and make them play ours.


I'd say that a lot of people agree, but like I said, I'm fairly sure those that matter (US and South Korean governments) don't want to attack North Korea, so all we get is more appeasement.



South Korea should have moved their capital. Seoul is in range of hundreds of rocket launchers and artillery pieces, thousands in the capital would die the first day of a shooting war.
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Re: North Korea Nuclear Standoff: NK orders UN inspectors out

#575 Postby Cryomaniac » Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:59 pm

Ed Mahmoud wrote:South Korea should have moved their capital. Seoul is in range of hundreds of rocket launchers and artillery pieces, thousands in the capital would die the first day of a shooting war.


Pusan would be a decent place for a S.Korean capital.
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Re: North Korea Nuclear Standoff: NK orders UN inspectors out

#576 Postby cycloneye » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:16 pm

U.N Inspectors leave North Korea

SEOUL, South Korea - North Koreans bowed before statues of their late "Great Leader" and danced to honor his birthday as the regime kicked out international nuclear monitors and world leaders decried its decision to restart its atomic program.

Crowds of neatly dressed people and uniformed soldiers swarmed toward ubiquitous statues of the country's founding father with bouquets of flowers to pay homage to Kim Il Sung, who died 15 years ago, state TV showed.

North Koreans danced in unison during a massive state-choreographed performance under colorful beams of light.

"Unending adoration toward President Kim Il Sung is overflowing wherever (you) go in Pyongyang," the North's official Korean Central News Agency said.

Wednesday's celebrations came a day after North Korea declared it will restart its nuclear program, quit disarmament talks, and boot out international inspectors because the U.N. Security Council adopted a statement condemning its April 5 rocket launch.

A diplomat from the International Atomic Energy Agency said Pyongyang expelled U.N. inspectors from its Yongbyon nuclear complex and removed all agency seals and surveillance cameras. The diplomat requested anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

'Step backward,' U.S. says

U.S. State Department spokesman Robert Wood told reporters Wednesday that American officials who had been helping the North disable the Yongbyon nuclear plant were now making preparations to leave.

Wood said the expulsion was "a step backward" and further isolated the country from the outside world. "The North is going to have to deal with the consequences of such decisions," he said.

On Wednesday, Japan joined Russia and the U.S. in urging North Korea to return to disarmament talks involving the four nations, South Korea and China that yielded a 2007 pact calling for Pyongyang to dismantle its nuclear program in exchange for aid.

"Based on close cooperation with all countries involved, starting with the U.S., we want to demonstrate progress in the six-party talks," Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Takeo Kawamura said Wednesday in Tokyo.

Russia's chief nuclear envoy, Deputy Foreign Minister Alexei Borodavkin, said the "most important task" now is to restore the nuclear talks — not trying to impose heavier sanctions on Pyongyang for the rocket launch, according to the ITAR-Tass news agency.

There was no official North Korean response to the international criticism Wednesday.

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Re: North Korea Nuclear Standoff

#577 Postby vbhoutex » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:28 am

SEOUL, South Korea - North Koreans bowed before statues of their late "Great Leader" and danced to honor his birthday as the regime kicked out international nuclear monitors and world leaders decried its decision to restart its atomic program.


Restart?!?!? ROFLMAO!!!!! They never even slowed it down!!!DUH!!!!!!
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Re: North Korea Nuclear Standoff

#578 Postby cycloneye » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:55 pm

SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea threatened Wednesday to conduct nuclear and missile tests and start an uranium-enrichment program in addition to its existing plutonium-based one, unless the U.N. apologizes for criticizing its recent rocket launch, dramatically raising its stake in the worsening standoff over its atomic programs.

Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry said in a statement the country "will be compelled to take additional self-defensive measures" unless the U.N. Security Council apologizes immediately. "The measures will include nuclear tests and test-firings of intercontinental ballistic missiles."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30474670/
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North Korea confirms 'successful' nuke test

#579 Postby Chacor » Sun May 24, 2009 10:39 pm

North Korea has staged a "successful" underground nuclear test, the state-run KCNA agency reports.

The agency says the test was "aimed at strengthening its [North Korea's] self-defence nuclear deterrent in every way".

The news confirms earlier reports by South Korea's Yonhap news agency.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8066615.stm

USGS registered a 4.7 quake in North Korea: http://earthquakes.usgs.gov/eqcenter/re ... 09hbaf.php
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Re: North Korea confirms 'successful' nuke test

#580 Postby MGC » Sun May 24, 2009 11:32 pm

Just another piece of the puzzle....add a warhead to the recent missle test. Just a matter of time before a nuke is detonated in a major world city by some crackpot dictator.....MGC
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