STORM2K

two questions regarding the UN

1) are there any provisions to remove a permanent member of the security council from that position?
2) can a member of the security council cast a "no" vote without it being an actual veto? what i mean on a resolution before the security council, can one of the permanent members cast a no vote, showing their displeasure with it. but yet it not be a veto so it can still pass.


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david

Here's a link to the charter of the UN.

http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/

It appears that there is no provision for removing a permanent member from the security council

I think that a no vote is not a veto. Not sure. I read thru it fast, you could take more time at your liesure.

A "no" vote, by any "rotating" member of the Security Council, is just that; when a permanent member votes "no", it IS a "veto", as it requires only ONE permanent member to veto any resolution to render further action null and void...regardless of the will of the other 14 sitting members.

but when one of the permanent members vote no does it HAVE to be a veto. or can lets say, france, vote no on a measure but say they are not invoking their veto power. meaning they are showing their displeasure of the measure but are not going to stop it entirely.

or is a no vote by one the "big five" a veto no matter what?



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david

I read through it quickly too...I didn't see in Chapter V. what it means for a member of the Security Council to vote "no" or where it stated that one veto of a permanent member ment that the resolution was dead. I think that it should be based on a majority vote only - 2/3's or maybe 3/4's of the total vote and or a total of 3 vetos to defeat the resolution.

Maybe that's why you're always hearing about members "abstaining"

Could be Coriolis!

Abstaining is the only way a permanent member can vote "No" without a veto. Abstaining is usually considered as a show of no support but does not carry the political baggage of a veto.