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kerry in lead with 38% of precincts reporting

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:08 pm
by JQ Public
Kerry 37%
Edwards 33%
Dean 18%
Gephardt 11%
Kucinich 1%

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:15 pm
by Lindaloo
:moon2:

:vote: :vote: :vote: :vote: :vote: :vote: :D

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:17 pm
by Stephanie
Very interesting.

Dean is too radical for my taste. I'm still not impressed by the lineup though.

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:33 pm
by stormraiser
I know we all want Dean to win, because Bush will trouncde him, but I was glad he lost this one, so maybe he will think twice before opening his @#_%(*^_@$^&_@#$* mouth.

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:04 pm
by mf_dolphin
Dean shot himself in the foot in the last few weeks. All he had to do was be himself and he even scared the Dems lol

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:10 pm
by JQ Public
wow i didn't even think this thread loaded. I think the turnout was very interesting actually. we'll see how they stack up in nh and sc!

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:14 pm
by nystate
Well, of all the Democrats running, I like Edwards the best. First, he is one of the more moderate democrats and second, Bush would most likely have no problem defeating him. Even if Bush is not re-elected, I don't think Edwards would be half bad, considering some of the others.

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:19 pm
by Josephine96
Maybe I'll ask my question here.. lol

Forgive my ignorance.. But "what the heck is a caucus..? lol

The thing that was going on in Iowa lol..

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 11:14 pm
by wx247
I have been impressed in recent days with Edwards as well.

So much stock has been put in SC... now Missouri is wide open since Gephardt is dropping out.

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 11:37 pm
by JQ Public
yeh i am liking edwards too...he's been a great senator for nc, but thats besides the point. The caucases go like this josephine. All the people that want to participate go to a place. They split up into groups that they want to be their choice for democratic representative. Only groups that get 15% of their precinct vote are counted...those that don't are all given a chance to switch into another group so that their voice may be heard more loudly. Finally the final count is taken and then these precincts present their results. There are no written ballots, but just people that get into a group that they feel they are most like.

One thing that i think is funny is that kerry was talking about how new england was in the superbowl and how he was also from new england. I also realized that Edwards was from NC/SC so it is kinda of funny that the Carolina panthers are also going to the super bowl?! Interesting turn of events :)

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:29 am
by Lindaloo
To all who are impressed with Edwards read on:

Synopsis
John Edwards represents North Carolina, a traditionally conservative state that voted 56% for George W. Bush in 2000. No Democratic presidential candidate has won North Carolina since 1976.

To win his senate seat, John Edwards campaigned as a charismatic centrist and defeated incumbent Lauch Faircloth in 1998. Since then, Edwards has voted in lockstep with the most liberal members of the Senate. In fact, Edwards voted with the Democrats 94% of the time in 2000. Edwards's voting record is much closer to Ted Kennedy's and Hillary Clinton's than it is to other southern Democrats (i.e. John Breaux, Zell Miller, Max Cleland, Ernest Hollings). Among Edwards's more baffling votes were a "No" to the bipartisan tax cut plan (a bill which passed 62-38, including "Yes" votes from several Democrats, such as liberals Dianne Feinstein and Herb Kohl) and a "No" to a ban on partial birth abortions (a gruesome procedure most Americans oppose), a bill which passed 63-34.

It's clear that Edwards (a former trial lawyer) has higher ambitions than being North Carolina's senior senator. He has walked the thin line of talking like a centrist to his constituents, yet following the marching orders of Tom Daschle and the rest of the Democratic power establishment. But while Edwards has been cozying up to the powers in the Democratic party, and flying to New Hampshire & Iowa, his constituents back in North Carolina have been left to wonder which is the real John Edwards: the charismatic moderate we elected in 1998, or a man who will do or say anything to get elected, driven by his own naked ambition for higher office?

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A few examples of Senator Edwards's failure to represent the people of North Carolina
Voted NO to the bipartisan tax cut plan (a bill which passed 62-38).
Voted NO to partial birth abortion ban (a bill which passed 63-34).
Voted NO to eliminating the marriage tax penalty.
Voted NO to repealing the estate tax (a bill which passed 59-39).
Voted NO on the confirmation of Interior Secretary Gale Norton (one of only 24 senators to do so).
Voted NO to temporarily suspending the gasoline tax.
Voted NO to stopping the use of federal funds to distribute the "morning after pill" on school grounds.
Voted NO to limiting the social security tax to 50% of total benefits (it had been 85%).

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:41 am
by Lindaloo
For those impressed with Kerry click the link below. Also note all the green check marks. The green checks are when he voted on the issues the ACLU supports.

https://ssl.capwiz.com/aclu/bio/?id=298 ... 1081&lvl=C

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:50 am
by streetsoldier
Dick Gephardt is dropping out? Has this been confirmed? :eek:

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:57 am
by Lindaloo
It has not been confirmed yet. I think it is just speculation right now because he is going to his home state instead of NH.

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:00 am
by firefighter16
streetsoldier wrote:Dick Gephardt is dropping out? Has this been confirmed? :eek:


Check out NBC5.com. They reported that he had dropped out..

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:04 am
by FLguy
stormraiser wrote:I know we all want Dean to win, because Bush will trouncde him, but I was glad he lost this one, so maybe he will think twice before opening his @#_%(*^_@$^&_@#$* mouth.


i could deal without either george bush or howard dean.

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:28 am
by Lindaloo
And we can do without Wesley Clark too.

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:29 am
by rainstorm
edwards is a liberal, but this is bad news for bush

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:36 am
by ColdFront77
I read a caption MSNBC last night that stated that Bill Clinton got only 3% in the 1992 Iowa Caucuses.

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:13 am
by southerngale
rainstorm wrote:edwards is a liberal, but this is bad news for bush


I disagree. I don't see Bush having trouble beating Kerry or Edwards.

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