STORM2K

If you really believe that President BUSH lied - - THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ AND HE TOOK US TO WAR SOLELY FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES -- then read this and, if you are the fair minded person that I believe you to be then... PASS IT ON


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal
here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear,
chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest
security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin,
Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a ilicit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,)
and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real
..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

I guess they all lied!!

Do you have any Republican quotes as well?

BTW - the colors are horrible - really tough to read.

I'm glad that President Bush is requesting an investigation. Decisions are only as good as the information that they were based on.

The point is the Dems are bashing the President when they in fact believed the same thing all along. Or knew about it. The one that gets me the most is Ted Kennedy. He is a walking lopsided contradiction who kills with no consequences.

Lindaloo wrote:The point is the Dems are bashing the President when they in fact believed the same thing all along. Or knew about it. The one that gets me the most is Ted Kennedy. He is a walking lopsided contradiction who kills with no consequences.

They received the information from the same source I would think. This would at least (hopefully) put to rest whether the information that President Bush used was any good (probably not). We ALL have a right to know.

Yep and it is called US Intelligence Failure. Hope they get to the bottom of it. Regardless, I am glad that evil-doer is gone and in jail where he belongs.

It just shows that America was fooled by all this "intelligence"...as stephanie said, the republicans and the dems were looking at the same "evidence".

Stephanie wrote:Do you have any Republican quotes as well?

BTW - the colors are horrible - really tough to read.

The Republican quotes are not the point. The point is that there are Democrat Senators standing up calling the President a liar, when the record shows that they were saying the same things he was about the same intelligence. I have not seen Republican Senators doing that. I guess they figured they would be safe because they never would have made the tough decision that the President did.

Oh...sorry you did not like the color. I was going for content, not color coordination. I forget everyone is an art critic.

stormchazer wrote:Oh...sorry you did not like the color. I was going for content, not color coordination. I forget everyone is and art critic.

I think it depends upon what board style a member is using. It's nothing against the patriotic colors.

stormchazer wrote:The Republican quotes are not the point. The point is that there are Democrat Senators standing up calling the President a liar, when the record shows that they were saying the same things he was about the same intelligence.

Excellent point, nothing more to add...this IS the hypocrisy of the Left.

Oh...sorry you did not like the color. I was going for content, not color coordination. I forget everyone is an art critic.

Thanks Duck - tell me Jara, can you honestly read the blue print? I have the new blue template up so I can barely see it. That was MY POINT.

Stephanie wrote:

Oh...sorry you did not like the color. I was going for content, not color coordination. I forget everyone is an art critic.

Thanks Duck - tell me Jara, can you honestly read the blue print? I have the new blue template up so I can barely see it. That was MY POINT.

Yeah...I can. I'm sorry you can not read it. I got YOUR POINT. Sheesh.

I can see the red and blue okay. Is MY POINT noted? ROFLMBO!!! You two crack me up.

Sorry...I am PMSing today bad...LOL. I turned the blue to black. Better??

more information than we needed... lol

The point is that ALL the usual intelligence sevices...German, French, British, Russian and the US...were operating on the SAME wave length insofar as data gleaned and acted upon. Even within the UN, it was considered a foregone conclusion that Saddam HAD them.

I, for one, welcome such inquiries, AND the "heads that should roll" over the concluding findings within the "intelligence" cadres.

Heads of state can only act on what information they are given...George Tenet, IMHO, should resign before he's publically "canned".

If anything President Bush's delay trying to get the UN off of their collective arses only gave Saddam more time to hide or move whatever he had. If you remember during that time we were only allowed recon flights after first warning the Iraqi's when and where they recon birds would be flying. Not real smart on our part since it would have been easy to only move things when the birds were on the ground.

This may be a little off topic here but I think if we let the generals and the admirals fight the wars instead of having a bunch of dumbass politicians making the decisons the nation and perhaps the world, would be better off. You dont need a college degree to know that a bunch of dopes wearing suits make the decisions in the wars..and its up to the military officers to carry them out with minimal loss of American lives. Easier said than done im afraid

george_r_1961 wrote:This may be a little off topic here but I think if we let the generals and the admirals fight the wars instead of having a bunch of dumbass politicians making the decisons the nation and perhaps the world, would be better off. You dont need a college degree to know that a bunch of dopes wearing suits make the decisions in the wars..and its up to the military officers to carry them out with minimal loss of American lives. Easier said than done im afraid

I have to agree with you there. The heads of the military forces have years and years of experience whereas the suits probably have very little if any experience in combat. Who would you want making the decisions. I know who I would. It's hard to agree with this unless you have served in the military yourselves. I have, and I know that us veterans do look at military actions differently than the non veterans. Not that either's views are necessarily flawed, just different.

stormchazer wrote:Sorry...I am PMSing today bad...LOL. I turned the blue to black. Better??

Same here Jara!

That's MUCH better thank you!!

The point is that ALL the usual intelligence sevices...German, French, British, Russian and the US...were operating on the SAME wave length insofar as data gleaned and acted upon. Even within the UN, it was considered a foregone conclusion that Saddam HAD them.

I, for one, welcome such inquiries, AND the "heads that should roll" over the concluding findings within the "intelligence" cadres.

Heads of state can only act on what information they are given...George Tenet, IMHO, should resign before he's publically "canned".

Bill - I couldn't agree with you more on that post!