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Your taxes at work

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:53 am
by bfez1
When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ball point pens would not work in zero gravity. To combat this problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion developing a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to over 300 Degrees.

The Russians used a pencil.


Enjoy paying your taxes--they're due again soon.

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:36 am
by Lindaloo
Good grief!! LOL!! Unbelievable!

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:09 pm
by stormraiser
Hmm, reminds me of those $12,000.00 hammers and toilet seats the Pentagon was buying. Whatever was wrong with the toilet seats at Home Depot for $9.97?

taxes

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:40 pm
by sunnyday
Reminds me of the gross overcharges of the Haliburton subsidiary who is responsible for supplying the meals for our servicepeople.

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:06 am
by JCT777
I would hate to see how much a notebook cost if the pen was $12 billion! :eek: :wink:

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:09 am
by blizzard
Alot of those prices are grossly overinflated for the public's benefit. There were never any substantiated charges for those amounts for hammers and toilet seats. I will say though that the prices poaid for those items were way overpriced. I worked in the supply chain in the Army way back when and will admit to hammers costing almost $100, but not the thousands that are said to have been the truth.

Where's GD with the Snopes article...LOL :lol:

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:21 am
by GalvestonDuck
blizzard wrote:Where's GD with the Snopes article...LOL :lol:


Ask and ye shall receive. :)

http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp#add
Claim: NASA spent millions of dollars developing an "astronaut pen" which would work in outer space while the Soviets solved the same problem by simply using pencils.

Status: False.

Examples:


[Collected on the Internet, 1999]

Thought for the day.

During the space race back in the 1960's, NASA was faced with a major problem. The astronaut needed a pen that would write in the vacuum of space. NASA went to work. At a cost of $1.5 million they developed the "Astronaut Pen". Some of you may remember. It enjoyed minor success on the commercial market.

The Russians were faced with the same dilemma.

They used a pencil.



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[The Moscow Times, 2000]
There is a charming anecdote that roams from e-mail box to e-mail box around the world about how, at the height of the space race, the Americans and Soviets approached the same problem: how an astronaut (or cosmonaut) could use a pen to write in zero gravity.

As the story goes, the Americans spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on an ambitious, gravity-immune ballpoint pen; they successfully developed such a pen; and this pen went on to become a massive commercial success in the private sector. The Soviets - with the simple elegance their scientists are so rightly famed for - opted instead to use a pencil.



Origins: The
lesson of this anecdote is a valid one, that we sometimes expend a great deal of time, effort, and money to create a "high-tech" solution to a problem, when a perfectly good, cheap, and simple solution is right before our eyes. The anecdote offered above isn't a real example of this syndrome, however. Fisher did ultimately develop a pressurized pen for use by NASA astronauts (now known as the famous "Fisher Space Pen"), but both American and Soviet space missions initially used pencils, NASA did not seek out Fisher and ask them to develop a "space pen," Fisher did not charge NASA for the cost of developing the pen, and the Fisher pen was eventually used by both American and Soviet astronauts.

Here's how Fisher themselves described it:

NASA never asked Paul C. Fisher to produce a pen. When the astronauts began to fly, like the Russians, they used pencils, but the leads sometimes broke and became a hazard by floating in the [capsule's] atmosphere where there was no gravity. They could float into an eye or nose or cause a short in an electrical device. In addition, both the lead and the wood of the pencil could burn rapidly in the pure oxygen atmosphere. Paul Fisher realized the astronauts needed a safer and more dependable writing instrument, so in July 1965 he developed the pressurized ball pen, with its ink enclosed in a sealed, pressurized ink cartridge. Fisher sent the first samples to Dr. Robert Gilruth, Director of the Houston Space Center. The pens were all metal except for the ink, which had a flash point above 200°C. The sample Space Pens were thoroughly tested by NASA. They passed all the tests and have been used ever since on all manned space flights, American and Russian. All research and developement costs were paid by Paul Fisher. No development costs have ever been charged to the government.

Because of the fire in Apollo 1, in which three Astronauts died, NASA required a writing instrument that would not burn in a 100% oxygen atmosphere. It also had to work in the extreme conditions of outer space:

1. In a vacuum.
2. With no gravity.
3. In hot temperatures of +150°C in sunlight and also in
the cold shadows of space where the temperatures drop
to -120°C

(NASA tested the pressurized Space Pens at -50°C, but because of the residential [sic] heat in the pen it also writes for many minutes in the cold shadows.)

Fisher spent over one million dollars in trying to perfect the ball point pen before he made his first successful pressurized pens in 1965. Samples were immediately sent to Dr. Robert Gilruth, Manager of the Houston Space Center, where they were thoroughly tested and approved for use in Space in September 1965. In December 1967 he sold 400 Fisher Space Pens to NASA for $2.95 each.

Lead pencils were used on all Mercury and Gemini space flights and all Russian space flights prior to 1968. Fisher Space Pens are more dependable than lead pencils and cannot create the hazard of a broken piece of lead floating through the gravity-less atmosphere.


Sightings: This legend was mentioned in an episode of NBC's The West Wing TV series ("We Killed Yamamoto"; original air date 15 May 2002).

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 12:48 am
by blizzard
You rock Duckie...lol

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 6:03 pm
by deb_in_nc
Now Now. Everyone who reads the tabloids KNOWS they need the extra funding to support research on the aliens at Area 54. :lol:

Debbie