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To take our minds off the war for a little bit and test our knowledge a bit, here's something I came across in a magazine I subsribe to. This can become a very heated debate but a *healthy debate* PLEASE, let's keep an open mind and let's NOT turn this into a flaming match LOL!

This is a Chronology of Christ's Crucifixion and Ressurection. This has tested and has shot down MY belief in what we've been taught most of our lives, I will qoute directly from the article, like I said, this has really shed new light on the matter, once again, let's keep this debate clean! BTW...the publication is called the "Good News" magazine:

Tuesday: Jesus Christ ate an evening Passover meal with his disciples (at the beginning of Nisan 14, Jewish Reckoning) and instituted the New Covenant symbols ( Matthew 26:26-28 ). Jesus was then betrayed by Jusdas, arrested and the during the night brought before the high priest.

Wednesday: Jesus was crucified and died around 3 p.m. (Matthew 27:46-50) This was the day preparation day for the annual, not weekly Sabbath, which began at sunset (Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:31) Jesus' body was placed the tomb at twilight (Matthew 27:57-60).

Thursday: This was the high-day Sabbath, the first day of Unleavened Bread (John 19:31, Leviticus 23:4-7). It is described as the day after the Day Of Preparation (Matthew 27:62).

Friday: The high-day of Sabbath, now past, the women bought and prepared the spices for anointing Jesus' body before resting on the weekly Sabbath day, which began at sunset (Mark 16:1, Luke 23:56)

Saturday: The women rested on the weekly Sabbath, according to the forth commandment (Luke 23:56, Exodus 20:8-11) Jesus rose before sunset, exactly three days and nights (72 hours) after burial, fulfilling the sign of Jonah and authenticating Jesus' messiahship.

Sunday: The women brought the prepared spices in the morning while it was still dark (Luke 24:1, John 20:1) Jesus had already risen (Matthew 28:1-6, Mark 16:2-6, Luke 24:2-3, John 20:1). He did not rise on Sunday morning, but just prior to sunset the day before.


I've given this a LOT of thought, read all the scriptures and it's there in black and white. ALSO another fact, from Sunset on Friday till sunset on Saturday, this is the Sabbath for the Jewish Faith, they honored the Sabbath to the HILT! Anyone else??

Dennis 8)

I'm not christian...or jewish for that matter. could you elaborate on what you're suprised aobut?

It's always been the standard way of thinking that Jesus was crucified on Friday, hence the name *Good Friday*

Dennis

ooo...so then this would mean that one of the accounts are wrong...what do you think?

Pardon the smiley face in Matthew 26:26-28, I can't edit the face out??????

I don't know.....guess I never really gave it much thought as to why we call it Good Friday, guess I took it as gospel so to speak but after reading this, I know better now or at least I *think* I do!

Dennis

I edited your post azsnowman, it was interpreting the 8 and ) next together as a smilie! I just added a space in between to keep that from happening.

You must remember that the teachings of the Bible passed through
many hands through many ages. LoL, Dennis...I have always
thought to myself that the Good Lord lets us celebrate when we
choose to - even if the time and dates have gotten lost in the ages!

But, that's definitely very interesting, indeed! Thanks for sharing that!

Well DUH Dennis LOL! Thanks Marshall!

Dennis

Another good point the article brought up, no where in the scriptures does it say to celebrate the Ressurection, interesting! Also, I'm sure we all know how the bunny and eggs became associated with Easter, right?

Dennis

Your right Breeze, I mean look at Christmas, there was no possible way for the birth of Jesus could have taken place in the dead of winter like that, the shepards do not tend their sheep in the snow like that!

Dennis

I've never take Christmas to be the actual time of birth of Jesus. It's more of a time we've designated to celebrate his birth and all that it means.

Very interesting Dennis. Thanks for that.

I do think we kind of made up the dates through time. I find it sad so many christians think of the crucifiction and resurrection only once a year and made it so commercial.

the reason december 25th was choosen to celebrate xmas on is that it is near the winter soltice, an important pagan holiday.

like several christian symbols, the early christians chose something that would appeal to pagans. they just changed the holiday a bit

peace
david

Very true David For further reading on this matter, you may also sign up for a free subscription to the Good News Magazine go to:

http://www.gnmagazine.org

it's a free publication, I do however send them a little something when the wallet allows

Dennis 8)

Breeze brings up a good point about the accuracy of dates in the bible... and how that translates to when we celebrate feasts and celebrations (or "holidays" if you will...).

The first point that is important to clarify, is that while Christians believe that the writing of the Gospels were "divinely inspired", there are many instances where attempting to take things in the Bible "word for word" would lead to contradictions, especially when dates or numbers come into play... "Divinely inspired" is not the same as "Divinely Written". These were all drafted by the hand of humanity... which is imperfect in its own right... even to this day...

After all, it's not like these folks were keeping daily journals... all of these writings were put down on scrolls only years after the fact... the apostles, advanced in age, reflectively writing their memoirs of this Jesus guy... can we forgive a person for being off by a day or two when recalling events from years in the past...? (heck... I can't even remember what I ate for breakfast...)

A second point to keep in mind is that the folks who wrote the majority of the new testament were simple tradesmen... and it is unlikely that they were scripting on the level of literature scholars... (despite how beautiful some of the middle-english translations are...) it just wasn't the words they would have used themselves... they were writing what was in their heart... and that doesn't necesarrily mean the facts are going to line up perfectly... which is something I rather prefer personally... it lends a mysterious quality that is open to interpretation (though it is not my intent to offend the more Fundamental sects of Christians by saying this).

Also... we tend to look at the bible as a whole... as if collaboration were *always* a given. These books and letters were only amassed many years later as a collective account of the events surrounding the life of Jesus, and then the acts of his apostles after the resurrection. Even today, there are disagreements among biblical scholars about what "should" be in the bible... and what shouldn't... if you ever get a free moment, thumb to the "editors notes" of a bible and see just how much fuss they go through to translate it as best they can...

For me... I look at the Bible as a guide that will help me to come closer to knowing who God is... I take some of the passages more seriously than others... but I'm not going to get bent out of shape if there are inconsistencies... and I think that most Christians feel the same way about this. Seeing it collectively as a work of great significance and meaning... but not getting stuck up on the tiny details...

In general... the church gives us dates for celebrations so that we may be unified in our celebration. Even if our dates are incorrect, it will not erode the fabric of our faith... for our faith is not dependent upon the "when" of these events... but rather simply, that they "were"...

For it is through our actions of love that we live the gospels... and that is something which is understood in any language... and in any time...

- gator.

i think that the egg came to be related to Easter for two reasons
1) the egg is part of the passover seder plate
2)the egg is a symbol of life

as far as the bunny,

1) bunnys lay eggs dont they?
2) and who else is supposed to hide the eggs on easter sunday, the easter armadillo?
LOL

peace
david