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Hurricane Talk here on the Texas Gulf Coast.....

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 6:21 am
by Guest
La Nina effect could bring major storms to Texas coast this year
By KEVIN MORAN
Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle
GALVESTON -- Official hurricane season forecasts aren't out yet, but climatic conditions this year are similar to those in years when deadly, highly damaging storms such as Hurricane Alicia in 1983 and Hurricane Carla in 1961 struck the Texas coast.

"We've noted that since 1900, every major hurricane that hit the Texas coast occurred during a non-El Niño year, like the type of summer and fall we're expecting," Bill Proenza, National Weather Service southern regional director, told nearly 300 people attending the first-ever Texas State Hurricane Conference.

El Niño and La Niña effects are the unusual warming and cooling, respectively, of tropical Pacific waters that can affect weather worldwide.

Indications are that this year's weather will tend toward a La Niña effect, in which cooler Pacific Ocean waters tend to support an increased number of tropical storms and hurricanes in the Atlantic Ocean, Proenza said.

"The El Niño effect, which tends to dampen the number of tropical storms and hurricanes formed in the Caribbean and in the Atlantic, is waning at this time," Proenza said. "We're looking into the summer months and saying that we're going to be in either a neutral situation or a La Niña effect."

But even if the 2003 hurricane season, which begins June 1, brings just a few storms, the weather service's message to Texans is the same as if a dozen hurricanes were sure to strike.

"Any year can be a major threat to Texas," Proenza said.

While everyone hopes for the best, current conditions make it all the more important for coastal residents to be prepared for the worst, Proenza said.

Coastal counties have experienced considerable rainfall this year and the soil water content already is high, Proenza said.

No protracted drought is expected this year, he said.

"Any tropical storm that hits Texas under these conditions could be a significant flood threat for that area," Proenza said, harkening back to 2001's Tropical Storm Allison, which dumped more than 2 feet of rain on parts of Houston, killed 21 people and caused $5 billion in damages.

Officials from Galveston, Chambers and Jefferson counties described how they decided whether to recommend mass evacuations of coastal cities and counties as Hurricane Lili threatened the upper Texas coast last October.

Galveston Mayor Roger "Bo" Quiroga said he chose not to recommend Galvestonians evacuate because National Hurricane Center experts and others stuck to predictions that the storm would take a northeast turn.

Jefferson County Judge Carl Griffith Jr. said Lili threatened his county more than it did Galveston County. He and other officials recommended evacuation rather than risk the storm failing to turn away and having thousands of people caught at home, Griffith said.

Lessons learned from a chaotic evacuation in 1992 as Hurricane Andrew threatened Jefferson County, and plans developed since then made for a staged, orderly evacuation of perhaps 65 percent of county residents in well under 24 hours, Griffith said.

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 6:49 am
by cycloneye
Good information Ticka that you brought here for the texans to read and also for the rest too.For more information about what is going on in the pacific in terms of el nino/la nina events and what to expect this season you can find it at the tropical board.

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 8:18 am
by Lindaloo
So El'Nino is weakening? Good grief. I do not like La Nina... she only spells trouble for the Gulf Coast states during cane season!!

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 8:25 am
by Guest
I agree Lindaloo - GOM has its most severe storms doing La Nina - not quantity but quality is the prose for La Nina. Anywhere from Cancun Mexico to Key West Florida - is at risk.

Patricia

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 8:35 am
by Rainband
Well we have no excuse but to be ready when and if a threat occurs. I think the complancency may moderate a bit this year with talk of La Nina??? :o I hope so... :wink:

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 9:05 am
by Lindaloo
Rainband... you said that right. I do not know if you have ever been through a cane but I have including Camille. I was four but it was powerful enough that I remember alot about it. As more and more people set up shop on the beaches (casinos) puts us more at risk for catastrophic damage in the event of even a CAT 1 storm. The locals remain calm, but focused, during a threat. If we receive a direct hit my whole community bands together to help thy neighbors. That is the only pleasant thing that comes out of a cane.

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 9:29 am
by cycloneye
Linda I haved experienced here in Puerto Rico 3 times in my lifetime canes and it is not a pleasant experience and yes all the people join to help the most needed people and families.

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 9:46 am
by Rainband
Lindaloo..That's my point every time we are in the cone..the track shifts..save the cane that crossed over from the east coast in 96. People are very complacent around here for that reason. It's like the boy who cried wolf..we evacuate and nothing happens!!! I myself would rather leave for no reason than stay and be up !@#* creek :lol: :lol: I just hope if we do have a storm this year people take it seriously!! :wink: Tropical storm Josephine really flooded our coast bad and she was out in the gulf..far from here. I hope people would rather be inconvienced a little..instead of ignoring the offcials like the normally do. :wink:

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 9:54 am
by mf_dolphin
You're right Rainband. Our area here on the West Florida coast is going to get hit someday and it's going to get ugly. People just ignore the warnings and they are going to pay dearly when one does hit.

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 11:06 am
by Lindaloo
Not a good thing for people in your area to become complacent. I also would rather be a little inconvenienced rather than take my chances. I like that "oh what a relief" feeling when they go somewhere else. In my hometown as soon as one hits the Gulf we head for the stores and gas stations. :lol: :lol: When we are issued a watch people are outta here. The local police have even publically stated how the citizens are so prepared in advance of a storm that it makes their job much easier. We were complacent about Camille and as history states there were ALOT of lives lost because of it.

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 11:28 am
by southerngale
Thanks for the info ticka...I hadn't heard this. :o

Yeah Rainband, I was one of those who didn't take a chance when they recommended evacuation for Jefferson County. Lili was heading directly toward us as we packed up and left. By the time we got out the door, she was expected to make a turn to Louisiana. They still recommended evacuation for us for obvious reasons. Thank God that storm weakened before hitting our Louisiana friends!!

I am happy to say that the evacuation was a huge improvement over the one in 1992 for Andrew. I mean HUGE improvement!! If Andrew had continued on its course for Texas, there would have been a lot of people stranded on the highways and in harm's way. The article described it as "a chaotic evacuation" - hmmm...to say the least! I was stuck in traffic for many many hours and my sister who left after me was stuck so long that she heard on the radio it turned and was hitting Louisiana. She was stuck in traffic only a few miles from her house.

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 11:53 am
by Derek Ortt
That is complete BS. Alicia hit during a very strong el nino. In fact, there were only 4 named storms that year, it just happened that 2 of them were canes, one major, and happened to hit Texas.

What I am saying, this report can lead to complacency as it misleads people into thinking that only la nina years bring majors, when they have hit during ninos

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 12:15 pm
by southerngale
You're right Derek, Alicia did hit during El Nino but it wasn't a very strong El Nino. It hit during a moderate El Nino condition.

I don't think the report leads to complacency though. It clearly says:
But even if the 2003 hurricane season, which begins June 1, brings just a few storms, the weather service's message to Texans is the same as if a dozen hurricanes were sure to strike.

"Any year can be a major threat to Texas," Proenza said.

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 12:32 pm
by Guest
Relying totally on the El Nino or La Nina parameters in tropical forecasting is insane. Storms are an element of nature - you can only establish so many factors into what is going to happen. As I say - we live in the GOM and should always be prepared for a storm no matter WHAT. Saying one area is going to get more activity or more severe storms is just one's opnion - no one knows.

Just my two cents.
Patricia

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 12:54 pm
by TexasStooge
Wanna lay any odds that San Antonio or Houston is gonna be flooded again next year?