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Passion for the Christ filmmaker blasts jews and makes anti-female statements during drunk rant.

Urls:
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005627.htm
http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibsons-a ... -cover-up/

Mel needs to stay sober.

Still want to see Apocalypto tho:
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809249345/info

Well, you can't really blame him for what he said. When you are really drunk you aren't thinking straight. People do all kinds of weird things when they're drunk.

Scorpion wrote:Well, you can't really blame him for what he said. When you are really drunk you aren't thinking straight. People do all kinds of weird things when they're drunk.

That kind of stuff doesn't come out of nowhere. I think being real drunk got him to say what he really thinks.

EDIT: The presumption I made here is that the story is true. So far, it appears to be only one source, so I'm witholding judgement on whether it really is.

How do ya think comedian Ron White bacame that way?

Wow what a career enhancing move IF he did make these statements no amount of apologizing will do. Sounds like he needs to lay off the booze some.

This is an example of another star who is so
wealthy rich that he feels he can say and do what he wants. He and his family just bought a small island I read somewhere. It is amazing what he grossed from the Passion movie.

I don't completely trust those sources, any others?

kevin wrote:I don't completely trust those sources, any others?

The sources above are correct and its many other places as well. It seems unlikely Gibson would now be apologizing if it was false.

"I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested," he said in a statement issued by his publicist. "I disgraced myself and my family with my behavior and for that I am truly sorry. I have battled with the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,206228,00.html

Scorpion wrote:Well, you can't really blame him for what he said. When you are really drunk you aren't thinking straight. People do all kinds of weird things when they're drunk.

All alcohol does is make you honest.

Sadly, Mel Gibson was one of Hollywood celebs that garnered respect. And now this.

Well, everyone is entitled to make a mistake. I hope this is his only one.

At least he gave a heartfelt apology. He got that part right. Admitting you were wrong is admirable, IMHO.

I wish him well. I was raised in a semi-racist home. And I survived. I managed to eradicate racism in my home. Or in other words, not even let it start in the first place. Mel Gibson might just learn something from this and change his opinions. Stranger things have happened.

TexasStooge wrote:How do ya think comedian Ron White bacame that way?

He was just lucky!!!!

Regit wrote:

Scorpion wrote:Well, you can't really blame him for what he said. When you are really drunk you aren't thinking straight. People do all kinds of weird things when they're drunk.

All alcohol does is make you honest.

Honest about how you feel...

Like Miss Mary said, I'm glad that he immediately came out with that apology after he sobered up. I believe it was heart felt as well. He does have children and he is probably embarrassed for acting that way. I hope that he goes one step further and perhaps acts on his apologies as well like some kind of benefit, etc.

Regit wrote:

Scorpion wrote:Well, you can't really blame him for what he said. When you are really drunk you aren't thinking straight. People do all kinds of weird things when they're drunk.

All alcohol does is make you honest.

I worked in an alcohol detox unit. Believe me when I say that alcohol doesn't make you honest. We used to have a saying that it takes a year of sobriety to be able to get to the truth. It saddens me that Mr. Gibson has this terrible disease, but it gladdens me that he was able to admit the truth, apologize, and get treatment for his relapse.

If I'm understanding correctly, what Regit meant, as Steph pointed out, was that alcohol makes you honest about how you feel, but not necessarily honest about everything. It lowers your inhibitions so that you might say something that you would otherwise not open your trap about. For example, an drunk employee might tell his boss what he really thinks about him or an intoxicated girl might make moves towards someone whom she'd otherwise not publicly show her attraction.

As far as the truth about their problem -- yup, that probably takes a long, long time. Some people never get there.

x-y-no wrote:

Scorpion wrote:Well, you can't really blame him for what he said. When you are really drunk you aren't thinking straight. People do all kinds of weird things when they're drunk.

That kind of stuff doesn't come out of nowhere. I think being real drunk got him to say what he really thinks.

EDIT: The presumption I made here is that the story is true. So far, it appears to be only one source, so I'm witholding judgement on whether it really is.

I think you're right x-y-no, like the saying goes, "A drunk man speaks a sober mind"

The real question now, is will he be willing to own up to whatever he actually said.

Judging by what is being seen today, I think Gibson's career as he knows it is over.

Disney has $50 million sunk into a movie project with him that opens Dec 8. Now the ONLY big name involved in the project will likely not be able to effectively promote the movie, since he'll face constant questions about his "rant."

It's true that America is pretty forgiving (as long as you don't kill your wife). But I doubt that Hollywood will be very forgiving and probably won't give him the chance to redeem himself to America.

There have long been urban legends about a star saying something racist that were completely untrue (Lauryn Hill, Tommy Hilfiger), but I don't remember one that was proven. So it will be interesting to see America's response.

Will America forgive him? Probably.

Should American forgive him? Absolutely not.

Is his career as a superstar over? Yes!

I have to post on this thread again. I wanted to think the best of Mel Gibson when I first responded. But now the more I do think about it, my opinion is this - he did reveal how he honestly feels about Jews. And since my GreatGrandfather was Jewish and changed the spelling of my maiden name, marrying a Catholic woman and renouncing all of his Jewish heritage to avoid more anti-semitism in Germany, I just have no sympathy for Mel Gibson. It's awful if he truly feels this way. Sure looks as if that was the real Mel Gibson now. Regit - I think you are right, his career could be finished now. I don't know how you come back from something like this. This is 10 times worse than jumping on a couch. 100 times worse.

Cookiely wrote:...It saddens me that Mr. Gibson has this terrible disease, but it gladdens me that he was able to admit the truth, apologize, and get treatment for his relapse.

There is a school of thought that alcoholism isn't a disease at all but a bad habit.

Believe it or not, in some parts of the world, alcoholics are taught how to drink less alcohol rather than go completely cold turkey. The success rate is said to be quite high.

On the other hand, AA (which treats the problem as a disease) has a high failure rate.

The above info was taken from a documentary I saw on ABC a few years ago which stated that the jury is still out on the matter and alcoholism may in fact be a combination of disease and habit. Sorry but I can't provide any links to back up my claims, at the moment.

As far as Mel Gibson saying what he really felt when he was drunk, I don't know... Being drunk may be like being in a dream state. I'm sure many of you have dreamt of saying and doing very embarassing things that you would never do in your waking life.

Then again, perhaps he did say what he felt! Only he would know that for sure.

The officer that arrested him is Jewish. That is probably why Gibson said what he did. The officer did not take offense to it nor does he wish to defame him. The point he wanted to get across to Gibson was to think twice before he got behind the wheel of a car intoxicated.

abajan, I certainly do not believe your theories about alcoholism being about feeding the habit with alcohol. If you can show me some statistics on AA not being a success then I probably will believe it. Alcoholism is a disease in the truest sense of the word.

Lindaloo wrote:The officer that arrested him is Jewish. That is probably why Gibson said what he did. The officer did not take offense to it nor does he wish to defame him. The point he wanted to get across to Gibson was to think twice before he got behind the wheel of a car intoxicated.

I think that's an exceedingly charitable interpretation. What does the officer's faith have to do with ranting that the Jews have caused all the world's wars? And why did he ask the officer if he were Jewish if he already knew the answer somehow?

Like I said, I don't believe this stuff comes out of nowhere. In all my roaring drunks many years ago, I never once said anything of the sort - because it just wouldn't occur to me to do so.

abajan, I certainly do not believe your theories about alcoholism being about feeding the habit with alcohol. If you can show me some statistics on AA not being a success then I probably will believe it. Alcoholism is a disease in the truest sense of the word.

I can only say that the understanding of alcoholism offered by Dr. Silkworth and Dr. Jung fits me to a tee. As for the rest - AA itself does not claim to be the only solution, just the one which has worked for a substantial number of alcoholics willing to really try it. Statistics on the success rate of an organzation based on the principle of anonymity are neccesarily difficult to get. Also, such statistics would be highly dependent on just how one defines failure and on how one defines membership in AA. I've seen various efforts at doing statistical analysis, but none which was particularly convincing.