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Cruise Ships and Terrorists
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:13 pm
by Janice
Well, they can take your makeup, shampoos, perfumes, etc. away from you before you get on a plane, but what about a cruise ship? TV said a cell phone was supposed to be the detonator on the plane. So, on a cruise ship they take your luggage to your room. A terrorist could assemble something in his room there. Also a hotel or a train too. Will it come to you cannot take a cell phone, computer or any liquids, such as makeup and perfumes on a ship too?
Re: Cruise Ships and Terrorists
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:52 pm
by george_r_1961
Janice wrote:Well, they can take your makeup, shampoos, perfumes, etc. away from you before you get on a plane, but what about a cruise ship? TV said a cell phone was supposed to be the detonator on the plane. So, on a cruise ship they take your luggage to your room. A terrorist could assemble something in his room there. Also a hotel or a train too. Will it come to you cannot take a cell phone, computer or any liquids, such as makeup and perfumes on a ship too?
Pretty soon it may come to that. As long as we have terror we just cant be too careful. We cant let them win though..no way. Americans should continue to travel; just be prepared for longer delays and more restrictions.
Re: Cruise Ships and Terrorists
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:04 pm
by gtalum
george_r_1961 wrote:... just be prepared for longer delays and more restrictions.
Or just do the math and realize that teh risk is extremely low and juts go about your lfie without giving up your freedoms and civil liberties. Either way is cool.
Re: Cruise Ships and Terrorists
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:05 pm
by george_r_1961
gtalum wrote:george_r_1961 wrote:... just be prepared for longer delays and more restrictions.
Or just do the math and realize that teh risk is extremely low and juts go about your lfie without giving up your freedoms and civil liberties. Either way is cool.
Yea ok
Caution doesnt hurt.
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:44 pm
by The Sandcrab
What would bring down a jetliner wouldn't dent an oceanliner.
The bigger danger with cruise ships is piracy, eg, another, more professional Achille Lauro-type incident:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 518697.stm
Especially dangerous areas are around the Horn of Africa, where the Seabourn Spirit recently evaded an attack:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4409662.stm
And the Strait of Molucca, a merchant marine chokepoint and the world's most pirated waters. Hijackers here are known to do a pre-9/11 flight school-type manoever: board ships, hold crew long enough to learn some piloting, then leave with the manuals. Also, hijackers have taken ships to "chop docks" to make 'em "phantom ships" by repainting, etc. Then they can hit the high seas looking legit enough to get into a port and . . . This scenario is probably my greatest terrorism terror because our port security is absymal and little changed since 9/11 AND so much depends on ports of origin, shipping cos who have less than demanding requirements for their crews, law of the high seas or lack thereof, etc.
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:25 pm
by Cookiely
Can cruise ships radar pick up those old fashioned kind of floating bombs like in the old WW2 movies?
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:34 am
by The Sandcrab
They've got all kinds of eyes and ears. They have to be able to get out of the way. I guess a USS Cole-type attack could work too:
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/10/23/uss.cole.01/
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:45 am
by Yarrah
Chances of being hit by a car are way higher, so I wouldn't worry about it. And remember that if everyone's being paranoid and always fearing some sort of terrorist attack, the terrorists are winning.
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:25 am
by Cookiely
Not enough of a body count to satisfy them in my opinion. I think they have limited resources and when they do carry something out they want it to be dramatic. Just my two cents.
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:38 am
by Janice
Cruise ships can carry, some up to 2,000, at a time. A lot more than a plane holds. And considering how many ships are sailing at one time, that would be horrible if they attacked a bunch.
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:46 am
by LSU2001
Cookiely wrote:Not enough of a body count to satisfy them in my opinion. I think they have limited resources and when they do carry something out they want it to be dramatic. Just my two cents.
Below are some guest capacity ratings of various cruise lines. Remember that they also carry several thousand crew and staff people in addtion to the guests. I know it would be hard to sink a cruise ship but the body count would be quite high in my opinion.
Tim
Sort by: Ship Name | Cruise Line | Rating | Year Built | Size/Tons | Guests
Ship Cruise Line Rating Built Tons Guests
Adventure of the Seas
Royal Caribbean
3,114
Explorer of the Seas
Royal Caribbean
3,114
Mariner of the Seas
Royal Caribbean
3,114
Navigator of the Seas
Royal Caribbean
3,114
Voyager of the Seas
Royal Caribbean
3,114
Caribbean Princess
Princess
3,110
Ship Cruise Line Rating Built Tons Guests
Carnival Conquest
Carnival
2,974
Carnival Glory
Carnival
2,974
Carnival Liberty
Carnival
2,974
Carnival Valor
Carnival
2,974
Carnival Triumph
Carnival
2,758
Carnival Victory
Carnival
2,758
Sapphire Princess
Princess
2,670
Carnival Destiny
Carnival
2,642
Queen Mary 2
Cunard
2,620
Diamond Princess
Princess
2,600
Golden Princess
Princess
2,600
Grand Princess
Princess
2,600
Star Princess
Princess
2,600
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:54 am
by southerngale
I went on a Royal Caribbean cruise from April 30th - May 7th this year, and would go again, without fear. As said in the other thread about the terrorist plot foiled, even though one particular person has said that being vigilant apparently means changing one's life, I haven't changed my life one bit. I think I'm simply more aware of my surroundings, but so far, nothing to report.
I do admit to briefly giving a passing thought of fear before going on the cruise, because I watched Speed 2.
I was over it shortly after the movie ended though. lol
And I had a blast...was never worried once.
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:20 am
by x-y-no
Janice wrote:Cruise ships can carry, some up to 2,000, at a time. A lot more than a plane holds. And considering how many ships are sailing at one time, that would be horrible if they attacked a bunch.
It's also a lot harder to disable a cruise ship than it is to destroy an airliner.
Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:37 am
by HurricaneBill
Also, in 9/11, all 4 planes had a low amount of passengers. Less passengers means less resistance. Plus, all the passengers are in first class and coach.
A cruise ship can carry around 3000. That makes a greater chance of passengers or crew rebelling. Also, as opposed to an airliner, a cruise ship has tons of rooms and areas passengers could be in.
Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:55 am
by MGC
It is way more difficult to sink a ship than bring down an airliner. I believe the easiest way to mess up a ship is to set it on fire in the middle of the night while the ship is far from port. Fire is one of the greatest threats on a ship. It would be easy for a group of terrorist to book passage on a cruise ship and set it on fire...MGC