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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5369198.stm

The United States threatened to bomb Pakistan "back to the stone age" unless it joined the fight against al-Qaeda, President Pervez Musharraf says.

This is an amazing admission. I'm startled the US threatened this, and actually very proud in a way. Pakistan is a strong state, and this was when our country had both reason and will to make even stronger pronouncements.

You don't get any more Machiavellian than that, and by the way, Machiavellian isn't always a bad thing.

Somehow I wouldn't be proud if my country threatened to bomb another country back to the stone age. I'd be ashamed.

The Pakistanis created the Taliban.

If it meant the destruction of AL-Qaeda for good then I agree with Kevin! I remember our President saying your either with us or with them. If them included a defiant Pakistan, with proof of harboring terrorists....then I say

fwbbreeze wrote:If it meant the destruction of AL-Qaeda for good then I agree with Kevin! I remember our President saying your either with us or with them. If them included a defiant Pakistan, with proof of harboring terrorists....then I say

Agreed.

fwbbreeze wrote:If it meant the destruction of AL-Qaeda for good then I agree with Kevin! I remember our President saying your either with us or with them. If them included a defiant Pakistan, with proof of harboring terrorists....then I say

I always wondered about their cooperation. Sometimes the carrott doesn't work, and you have to get tough.

It's sick! And I agree with you Yarrah. For some reason most americans have bought so much into this patriotic thing that most of them have lost all sight of humanity.It's america's war,why should any other country be forced to join.They have every right to just ignore the US and carry on with their lives,as much as america might not agree with this,THEY DO NOT OWN THE WORLD!

It's just dictatorship,exactly the same as what hitler did,and people seem to be just as blinded as the nazi's were.Fighting for something without actually looking at the facts through the eyes of anyone else but themselves and what gets pounded into their heads by the president.

You can't go bombing countries cause it has some bad guys in it,that's a pathetic and childish logic.It's like poisoning a river to kill the crabs. I just wish americans could realise this,cause I see the same stuff from everybody about how the US must just go bomb everywhere,you want to kill people? Do something worthwhile and kill Robert Mugabe,he is making more peoples lives hell than any terrorists,but alas US doesn't care about Africa (not that I'm complaining).

Don't know how well this post will be handled,but it has to be said.Someone should be able to speak up agaisnt the same old 100000 posts about how the US is doing things right.As it appears people from other countries are not as blinded by things.. Don't take this personally,this isn't aimed at anyone. More just aimed at what I have bared witness to over a while.Well if the mods feel it is too,umm ye.. you can delete it..but it would be nice for people to actually take a second and look at things and the other people in this (and price of bombs) and not just think "oh,no more terrorists".

I think we should leave them alone and they leave us alone thats how it should work!! They stay on there side of the globe and we stay on ours how hard could that really be to do! If feel bad for all the kids over there seriously what did they ever do!

Yeah exactly...Sure the terrorists are bad people,and should die. But it's not worth bombing a whole country and making a bunch of innocent children live in fear,if that happens,then I wouldn't be suprised if they end up becoming terrorists. "US bombed us when we were children,killed my friends.. etc time for revenge" is a pretty understandable logic

Well said Meso.

Another thing we should remember is that the greatest threat from terrorism isn't coming from the Middle-East and other Muslim countries, but from our own Western countries. The Madrid and London bombings, for example, were all executed by radical Muslims from Spain and the UK. And in my country there have also been a lot of problems with young Muslim immigrants. The so called 'home-grown terrorists' are a much bigger threat to our society then those Islamo-fascists from the Middle-East and we should focus ourselves on this problem.

storm4u wrote:I think we should leave them alone and they leave us alone thats how it should work!! They stay on there side of the globe and we stay on ours how hard could that really be to do! If feel bad for all the kids over there seriously what did they ever do!

They DIDN'T leave us alone and they DIDN'T stay on their side of the globe.

"they" ? Of course "they" did! We are talking about a country now, not about a selected group of people. You can't bomb a country for what a few people in it did... What if some americans went to asia and killed a bunch of asians..you would be okay with the asian goverment bombing america ? You can't base a countries mind set on that of a few people there.

Meso wrote:"they" ? Of course "they" did! We are talking about a country now, not about a selected group of people. You can't bomb a country for what a few people in it did... What if some americans went to asia and killed a bunch of asians..you would be okay with the asian goverment bombing america ? You can't base a countries mind set on that of a few people there.

Quote: President Bush said this week that he would "absolutely" order military operations inside Pakistan if Usama bin Laden or other top terrorists were found to be hiding here.

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That is the THEY I am talking about. The THEY that tried to cripple our economy. The THEY that killed over 3,000 people. THAT THEY.

If a country supports and harbors terrorists then they are the enemy as well and should get exactly what they deserve. It would seem like the message was fully understood by Pakistan and I for one am glad.

As to the comparison to Hitler, before you go spouting that trash read your history. Hitler's goons exterminated millions of people for no other reason than they were not "pure". That's more like the Islamic extremists view that if you don't believe like they do you should be murdered. Keep in mind that includes Sunni or Shites as well. They're killing each other for the same reason.

Meso wrote:It's sick! And I agree with you Yarrah. For some reason most americans have bought so much into this patriotic thing that most of them have lost all sight of humanity.It's america's war,why should any other country be forced to join.They have every right to just ignore the US and carry on with their lives,as much as america might not agree with this,THEY DO NOT OWN THE WORLD!

It's just dictatorship,exactly the same as what hitler did,and people seem to be just as blinded as the nazi's were.Fighting for something without actually looking at the facts through the eyes of anyone else but themselves and what gets pounded into their heads by the president.

You can't go bombing countries cause it has some bad guys in it,that's a pathetic and childish logic.It's like poisoning a river to kill the crabs. I just wish americans could realise this,cause I see the same stuff from everybody about how the US must just go bomb everywhere,you want to kill people? Do something worthwhile and kill Robert Mugabe,he is making more peoples lives hell than any terrorists,but alas US doesn't care about Africa (not that I'm complaining).

Don't know how well this post will be handled,but it has to be said.Someone should be able to speak up agaisnt the same old 100000 posts about how the US is doing things right.As it appears people from other countries are not as blinded by things.. Don't take this personally,this isn't aimed at anyone. More just aimed at what I have bared witness to over a while.Well if the mods feel it is too,umm ye.. you can delete it..but it would be nice for people to actually take a second and look at things and the other people in this (and price of bombs) and not just think "oh,no more terrorists".

That is a mighty brave thing for you to say, considering the company you are in or should I say country you are in. ANY country that supports terrorism should be confronted.

You have enough to worry about in your country.

It's just dictatorship,exactly the same as what hitler did,and people seem to be just as blinded as the nazi's were.Fighting for something without actually looking at the facts through the eyes of anyone else but themselves and what gets pounded into their heads by the president.

As Marshall suggested, check your history before making such bold statements!!! There is nothing akin to a dictatorship here in the US, not anywhere near it!!! We do allow dissent and discussion of issues unlike many other contries in this world-South Africa comes to mind here on the negative side of that argument. We elect our leaders-last I checked that is not a definition of dictatorship. And I am sorry, but how anyone can compare us to Hitler and his regime is beyond me-I don't believe we have gone around killing millions due to their religious beliefs.

The point I am trying to make is though, if a country does not want to go to war they should not be made to by threats of them being bombed.

And the comparison was meaning how Bush has gotten a whole country to follow him and back him on something that so many of other countries see as immoral,it's mainly the US that backs his decisions.As was with Hitler. Of course it is not nearly as bad and not the same situation,just the general responses of US citizens is similar to that of which went on with the german citizens in WWII.

Don't get me wrong,I am all for taking out terrorists and such,just the manner of which it's done is rather extreme.

Meso wrote:The point I am trying to make is though, if a country does not want to go to war they should not be made to by threats of them being bombed.

Then that country should not harbour terrorists.

As for the "For some reason most americans have bought so much into this patriotic thing that most of them have lost all sight of humanity" - yes, I am patroitic. What of it? Like the song says "I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free". Lost sight of humanity? You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about and I find that remark so insulting. And believe it or not, I'm holding back on you.

I think some people are reading something into the story that's not there.

First of all, the article is full of the word "allegedly." We don't know how accurate the quote is or if anything like that was said at all. In a court of law, such testimony wouldn't stand. It's hearsay. And then for some reason, a lot of people think "bombing" a country means totally wiping it off the face of the earth. Even if a warning was given (not a threat) to Pakistan, alerting them to possible actions being taken in their country against the Taliban, it would not mean the US and its allies were going in and just randomly and indiscriminately bombing anywhere and everywhere. We're better than that and I think we've proven that. We are selective about our targets.

Yarrah wrote:Another thing we should remember is that the greatest threat from terrorism isn't coming from the Middle-East and other Muslim countries, but from our own Western countries. The Madrid and London bombings, for example, were all executed by radical Muslims from Spain and the UK.

By radical Muslims IN Spain and the UK, not necessarily FROM. Where do you think they got their training, their orders, and their money? It filters down from the Middle East.

Meso wrote:The point I am trying to make is though, if a country does not want to go to war they should not be made to by threats of them being bombed.

And the comparison was meaning how Bush has gotten a whole country to follow him and back him on something that so many of other countries see as immoral,it's mainly the US that backs his decisions.As was with Hitler. Of course it is not nearly as bad and not the same situation,just the general responses of US citizens is similar to that of which went on with the german citizens in WWII.

Don't get me wrong,I am all for taking out terrorists and such,just the manner of which it's done is rather extreme.

So you are saying that terrorists are not extreme? Radicals see it as immoral. Normal folks see it as a country harboring terrorists. We did not want to go to war but we were forced to by the Islamic Extremists. Funny you mentioned extreme above when that is what the terrorists are called.

I am appalled at the comparison between Hitler and the United States. I mean. Hitler even discriminated against anyone with blonde hair! Read your history books.