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The children of N. Korea
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:26 pm
by JQ Public
I guess this should be preceded by a "view discretion advised" but all should see this.
This is a great video about the orphan children and people of N. Korea. I watched the whole thing. Its sooo sad
great video, wish more people could watch it. Really makes you appreciate what you have, and makes you wish more could be done about this than just useless banter.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... a+children
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:31 pm
by Ptarmigan
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:45 pm
by wxmann_91
I'm not sure if this source is dependable... but...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1811
Focus on the satellite image.
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:00 pm
by senorpepr
It's a legit satellite image. It is from the Defense Meteorological Satellite Program that the US maintains. We have a wall-sized picture of the US and the whole world at work. Quite amazing. Matter of fact... here's a copy of the world image that we have at work:
http://www.iowawrestling.com/images/ear ... sp_big.jpg
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:35 pm
by wxmann_91
Cool stuff Mike.
Truly heartbreaking video...watched all 45 minutes of it. Thanks for sharing it JQ.
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:50 pm
by Derek Ortt
How much of the famine is actually real... or is this like the Ukranian "famine" of the 1930's, faked 100%.
What we know is that we gave them "relief aid" that paid for their nukes. So, how much of this "starving" is propaganda so that they can get even more $$ for their military
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:01 pm
by senorpepr
Derek Ortt wrote:How much of the famine is actually real... or is this like the Ukranian "famine" of the 1930's, faked 100%.
What we know is that we gave them "relief aid" that paid for their nukes. So, how much of this "starving" is propaganda so that they can get even more $$ for their military
The famine is most likely more real than we tend to believe. With all the DPRK studies I've researched over the past few years, I've come to find that the situation over there is probably more severe than we want to accept. However, it's a situation where you screwed if you do, screwed if you don't.
Most of the relief aid is filtered toward the DPRK Army--not the civilians. What little does make it out of the government ends up getting into the hands of a select few who then turn around and sell of aid for inflated prices. The starving is quite true.
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:15 pm
by Brent
senorpepr wrote:It's a legit satellite image. It is from the Defense Meteorological Satellite Program that the US maintains. We have a wall-sized picture of the US and the whole world at work. Quite amazing. Matter of fact... here's a copy of the world image that we have at work:
http://www.iowawrestling.com/images/ear ... sp_big.jpg
WOW, that's cool.
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:09 pm
by JQ Public
Derek Ortt wrote:How much of the famine is actually real... or is this like the Ukranian "famine" of the 1930's, faked 100%.
What we know is that we gave them "relief aid" that paid for their nukes. So, how much of this "starving" is propaganda so that they can get even more $$ for their military
It is not faked. Oppressed people are starving.
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:13 pm
by rainstorm
except for chinese intervention in late 1950 the people of korea would be united in prosperity today
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:37 pm
by vbhoutex
rainstorm wrote:except for chinese intervention in late 1950 the people of korea would be united in prosperity today
??????HUH???????Explain further please.
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:55 pm
by rainstorm
mac arthur routed the nkorean army with the invasion of inchon and was in the process of occupying all of nkorea when 600,000 chinese intervened. the chinese intervention led to the total, abject misery of every person in north korea
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:59 pm
by senorpepr
As much as I hate to head toward the political side of things, I think it's unfair to stop at saying it was Chinese intervention at fault. You have to look at the UN division of Korea after WWII, which split the peninsula between US-backed and Russian-backed forces at a time when each side (US and Russia) had sour relations.
(Those sour relations were a result of the fall out of WWII and the division of Germany... which was a result of Nazi Germany. Which goes back to what I've said for many years... a large chunk of today's problems leds back to Hitler and his administration.)
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:16 pm
by JenBayles
I couldn't watch the entire video, but what I saw was just incredibly sad. I doubt many of our poor here in the States even come close to that kind of poverty in N. Korea - whatever the cause.
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:40 pm
by rainstorm
senorpepr wrote:As much as I hate to head toward the political side of things, I think it's unfair to stop at saying it was Chinese intervention at fault. You have to look at the UN division of Korea after WWII, which split the peninsula between US-backed and Russian-backed forces at a time when each side (US and Russia) had sour relations.
(Those sour relations were a result of the fall out of WWII and the division of Germany... which was a result of Nazi Germany. Which goes back to what I've said for many years... a large chunk of today's problems leds back to Hitler and his administration.)
this isnt political. had n korea not started the korean war then the north koreans would have been just as miserable. their only chance to lead normal, modern lives was if we had united korea after inchon. its an incredible difference to see how a line on a map can separate dying starving miserable people in the north, to modern prosperous people in the south. just a line on a map
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:46 pm
by Derek Ortt
I have to disagree with your assessment, sr
We should have let the Soviet Union collapse in Barbarosa and then went after the Reich if it was necessary. I know that was not possible after the attack on Pearl Harbor, but before that, Lend-Lease should not have been extended to Stalin of all people
