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Photographers?

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:42 pm
by NWIASpotter
Who here considers themselves a amateur photographer? I'm looking to get some info on some SLR lenses, which ones would be the best choice, etc... But, before I go blabbing about all of the lenses and stuff I wanted to see if anybody here actually owns an SLR camera and has some information that could be useful...

I'll be owning the Canon XTi and I'm trying to get a good starting lens kit, probably a wide angle and a telephoto lens. Anyway, let me know about your photo equipment that you use?

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:53 pm
by HollynLA
I'm a professional photographer with my own business. I'll be happy to help you in any way I can. :D

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:55 pm
by HollynLA
oh, btw: an excellent all around lens for that camera would be the Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 or the Canon 17-85 f4-5.6 IS. If you like great sharpness, you should also consider a very inexpensive prime lens, the Canon 50mm 1.8

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:06 pm
by NWIASpotter
Holly, as much as I would love to have some of the higher quality lenses, those just aren't in my bank account right now.. ;)

After the camera, I'll be looking at $400-500 to spend for lenses and thus I'll be looking at probably the 'lower quality' lenses. The ones that you go for the more bang for the buck... :lol:

I can give you a list of some of the lenses that I've been looking at, let me know if you've ever used one of them or heard about them. Thanks for the help...

For the wide angle, I could go with:

1) Canon Kit Lens (18-55)
2) Sigma 28-70 DG F2.8-4 or Sigma 18-50mm F3.5-5.6 DC
3) Tamron AF28-80mm F/3.5-5.6 Aspherical

For telephoto lenses, I'm looking at these options:

1) CANON EF 75-300/4.0-5.6 III or
2) Sigma 70-300mm F4-5.6 DG MACRO
3) Tamron AF70-300mm F/4-5.6 Di LD Macro 1:2 or Tamron AF75-300mm F/4-5.6 LD Macro

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:23 pm
by HollynLA
sorry about that, I actually made it a point to recc some lower priced lenses. The Tamron lens is about $350, the Canon IS is $600 and the 50mm prime is only about $70.

The canon kit lens, 18-55 is total crap. I have it and never use it. One important thing to keep in mind is your camera is only as good as the glass you put in front of it. Since you are on a limited budget, get one good quality lens and work from there instead of spending your money on several cheap lenses. I also have the Canon 75-300, it's an "okay" lens but doesn't focus well at a distance. Your pics will not be focused and very unclear. I still higly recc the Tamrom I mentioned earlier. This will work well outdoors and indoors *(wide to zoom), has excellent clarity, top quality sharpness, low apertures. This lens rivals the Canon 28-70L series which sells for $1200. I actually use it for weddings and rarely change my lens.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:12 pm
by azsnowman
I am the crime scene investigator for PLPD and I "am" the photographer for the dept....they bought me a Nikon D200 about 2 months ago, I'm STILL trying to figure this dam camera OUT :ggreen:!! I took 4 years of photography in high school...that was my goal was to be a "pro-fesh-in-al" photog and NOW look where I'm at...a "Super CSI!" NOT :ggreen:

Anywhere....here's my photography package:


10.2 megapixel DX Format CCD image sensor: A newly developed 10.2 effective megapixel DX Format CCD image sensor that captures images with edge-to-edge sharpness and incredible color at 3,872 x 2,592 pixels, yielding extraordinarily high-resolution images perfect for enlargements or creative cropping.

Industry-leading image processing for exceptional color performance: Incorporates Nikon's industry-leading advanced imaging processing engine of the D2x, which allows color-independent pre-conditioning prior to A/D conversion to work in symphony with advanced digital image processing algorithms to achieve fine color gradations with exceptionally smooth, consistent transitions.


SUPPLIED WITH:

NIK2149 - 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED-IF AF-S DX Zoom Nikkor Lens (in original pkg)(72mm filter size)
EN-EL3e Rechargeable Li-ion Battery
MH-18a Quick Charger
EG-D100 Video Cable
UC-E4 USB Cable
AN-D200 Strap
BF-1A Body Cap
DK-5 Eyepiece Cap
DK-21 Rubber Eyecup
BM-6 LCD Monitor Cover
Accessory Shoe Cover
Nikon PictureProject Software CD-ROM

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:24 pm
by NWIASpotter
Definitely going top of the line there for you in Arizona!! When you took those photography classes in HS I bet they didn't have nearly the options they do now, so can't blame ya for not knowing all the features on that fancy thing... ;)

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:56 pm
by MGC
Azsnowman, digital is allowed in crime scene photography? With digital so easy to alter I'm surprised it could be used as evidence. A film negative is harder to tamper with. These days with photoshop it is hard to tell the difference between what is authentic or a fraud.....MGC

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:57 am
by NWIASpotter
Although you can change things with digital, I believe some of the data within it is very hard to change, such as the exif data that comes with pictures, etc...

I'm sure there has to be something that can validate the pictures otherwise as you stated, there is no way they could be used.

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:39 am
by azsnowman
MGC wrote:Azsnowman, digital is allowed in crime scene photography? With digital so easy to alter I'm surprised it could be used as evidence. A film negative is harder to tamper with. These days with photoshop it is hard to tell the difference between what is authentic or a fraud.....MGC


I have to follow VERY strict SOP'S (standard operating procedures) set forth by the District Country Attorneys office, my credibility is put on the stand when I present digital images to the jury....yeah, it's a pain in the butt to have to defend my credibility and believe ME, there are some slime ball defense attorneys out there that will do everything in their power to make me look like a fool!

http://www.policecentral.com/wp-crimescene.htm

VII. Suggested System Capabilities and Procedures

This Police Central White Paper assumes that the user has selected a PC computer, digital camera and printer. How can these components work together to insure admissibility of the photographs.

First, it is important to note that the camera itself cannot alter an image that has been captured and stored on the PCMCIA card. Thus, the image stored on the PC card, by definition is in an original state.

Some cameras today can print images directly to their companion printer ( i.e. the Fuji DS300 Digital Camera can print directly to the Fuji PG3000 color printer). If your camera/printer has this capability, we recommend that upon return to the Crime Scene Lab, the photos are immediately printed and labeled as "Original Camera Prints", along with the date, time and technician's initials. Later testimony can indicate that these photographs were directly printed, prior to any viewing on a computer system.

Should your equipment not have this capability for direct printing, it is important to maintain the original file in an indelible format. Recordable CDs are just the answer.

We are all familiar with CD-ROMs. A file recorded on CD cannot be "re-recorded"; in other words, when a file is stored on CD it is indelible. Further, the PC will automatically record a date and time in the file format. Now it is true that the file could be read into a PC and enhanced (altered?), and the enhanced (altered?) photograph recorded back onto the same (or different) CD. If recorded on the same CD, however, it must carry a new filename--as the original file name is indelible. And, in any case, the file would carry a new date and time stamp. The following are suggested guidelines for secure processing of digital photographs:

1. Choose a digital camera that can output directly to a photo quality printer. Print and label original photos upon return to the crime scene lab. Have a form that testifies to this transaction.

2. Use a PC to record the digital files directly to a CD prior to viewing any image on the PC screen. Have a form that testifies to this transaction.

3. These forms should carry the following information as a minimum:

a. Case Report Number, date and time of recording
b. Number of Photographs
c. ID Number of the CD-ROM
e. Name and signature of photo technician
f. The following Legend:
"This certifies that the digital photographs contained on CD Number ___ were recorded directly from the digital camera card prior to viewing on an computer system. The undersigned technician certifies that such digital photographs are thus identical to the digital photographs taken at the crime scene".

4. The digital files on the CD can then be safely viewed, enhanced, annotated and entered into a crime scene database. If the digital file is record from the PC card, directly onto an indelible CR-ROM, the original photographic file is always available. While it is true that the photograph can be read into the PC and manipulated, it cannot be recorded back on to the CD with the same file name. It must carry a new file name and corresponding date and time stamp from the computer.

If later challenged in court, the technicians testimony and accompanying paperwork, in conjunction with the computer generated date and time stamps should present a strong audit trail to the court.

Police Central recommends that the above basic procedures be followed with digital photographic files. These standard Operating Procedures, published by the jurisdiction should be rigorously followed.

The MOST important aspect of this issue is, however, the credibility of the technician. Without a doubt, the strongest factor in admissibility is direct testimony reflecting the "true and accurate" nature of the photographs in question.