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Where is Corporal Laurean???

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:37 am
by Dionne
You would think that Corporal Cesar Laurean would be easy to find. Yet no confirmed sightings. Is he with his attorneys? A friend? Hiding in the woods of North Carolina? Is he dead?

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:48 am
by TexasStooge
For all I know, he probably traveled to an undisclosed location and killed himself so he wouldn't stand trial.

Re: Where is Corporal Laurean???

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:17 am
by Ed Mahmoud
Under the UCMJ, both rape and murder are death penalty offenses. Of course, only members of the military would sit on the jury of his General Court-Martial, but I'd have no problem voting for death for a man that killed a pregnant woman.

Re: Where is Corporal Laurean???

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:34 am
by lurkey
Pregnant Marine Died of Blunt Force Trauma to Head, Autopsy Shows

Jacksonville — A pregnant Marine, whose remains were found in Onslow County, died as the result of blunt force trauma to the head, authorities announced Tuesday.

Federal authorities plan to post billboards nationwide with the picture of a Marine wanted in the slaying of a pregnant colleague, and the sheriff announced a $25,000 reward Monday for information leading to his arrest.

Authorities are looking for Marine Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean, wanted in the death of Marine Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach, who had accused him of rape. FBI officials said the first billboards with Laurean's photo would appear in Tampa, Fla., Columbus, Ohio, and Las Vegas.

"The search for Laurean is Earthwide," Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown said at a news conference.

Authorities recovered what they believe to be the burned remains of Lauterbach and her fetus from a fire pit in Laurean's backyard over the weekend. Detectives believe Laurean, 21, of the Las Vegas area, fled Jacksonville before dawn Friday, and have said he left behind a note in which he admitted burying her body but claimed she cut her own throat in a suicide.

Brown, who has rejected the idea that Lauterbach committed suicide, said late Monday that authorities had received a preliminary autopsy report on the remains, but he declined to discuss details, other than to say a gun was not used.

FBI spokesman Newsom Summerlin said investigators have no reason to believe Laurean has fled the country, but that it is possible.

Brown also said Monday that an ATM card belonging to Lauterbach was found Saturday in Durham. A jogger passing by a Greyhound Bus station downtown noticed it in the bushes and turned it over to Durham police.

Police said it was unlikely the card was used at the bus station because the card reader there has been out of operation for several days.

Investigators remain unsure of the accuracy of witness reports placing Laurean at a bus depot in Shreveport, La., on Saturday night, Brown said. The witnesses were unclear whether the man believed to be Laurean boarded a bus that was headed to Texas or left the station, he said.

Still, Brown confidently predicted that Laurean would be caught.

"You're never gone for good when law enforcement is after you," he said. "It may be two days or two weeks, 10 days or 10 years, but you're never gone for good."

North Carolina is one of 15 states without a fetal homicide law, but Onslow County District Attorney Dewey Hudson said he has no plans to step aside in favor of a military prosecution. Georgetown University law professor Gary Solis said local authorities have primary jurisdiction in the case.

"They have the crime scene and they have the physical evidence," Solis said. "The military would have secondary jurisdiction if the DA decided not to pursue the case."

That makes it unlikely that Laurean would be prosecuted under the federal fetal homicide law passed in 2004 during the height of attention to the California trial of Scott Peterson, who was accused of murdering his pregnant wife, Laci.

The federal law makes it a crime to harm a fetus during an assault on a pregnant woman, but the pro-life activists who pushed for it believe it has never been used - in part because murder cases are typically prosecuted in state courts.

The military could technically seek charges at the same time as civilian authorities, said Scott Silliman, a former military lawyer who is now director of the Center on Law, Ethics and National Security at Duke University. But a joint prosecution is not recommended by the military's manual for courts martial, Silliman said.

"As a matter of law, the military could prosecute him separately," Silliman said. "But as a matter of policy, it rarely happens and only in a very unusual set of circumstances."

In Lauterbach's hometown near Dayton, Ohio, hundreds of friends and neighbors offered prayers for her Monday evening. Relatives filed into a church for a prayer service and sat in the front row.

"This evening, we are suffering," the Rev. Francis Keferl told a spillover crowd of more than 800 at St. Christopher Catholic Church.

Lauterbach's mother, Mary, dabbed at her eyes with a tissue during the 40-minute service. A congregant gave her a pink rose.

Members of the congregation will remember Lauterbach for her strength, vitality, independent spirit, athletic talents and service as a Marine, said Elise Wahle, youth ministry coordinator for the church.

Lauterbach's father, Victor Lauterbach, is an Air Force Reserve master sergeant in the 87th Aerial Port Squadron, which is part of the 445th Airlift Wing at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.

"Her goal was to be a Marine and wear the uniform," said neighbor Kent Zimmerman.

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:45 pm
by Derek Ortt
the local authorities ened to get out of the way and let the military court martial him. This is NOT a civilian matter

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:49 pm
by artist
Derek - he needs to be found first. I hope they find him soon.

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:34 pm
by Derek Ortt
yes, they need to find him first... then the prosecutor needs to shut his yap about not yielding to the military. Let him be tried both for rape and murder and be taken care of by the US military

Re: Where is Corporal Laurean???

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:43 pm
by artist
I would think it should be military, wouldn't it, since they were both enlisted? Did he live on base or off?

Re: Where is Corporal Laurean???

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:20 pm
by lurkey
For those who are wondering . . . Morrisville is just outside of Raleigh and Cary, sorta of in the middle of the Triangle area (Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill). Raleigh-Durham International Airport is technically in Morrisville town limits. He must have taken a taxi to the Durham bus station where they found the ATM card.

Vehicle of Suspect in Marine Slaying Found in Morrisville


Posted: Today at 9:43 a.m.
Updated: 1 minute ago

Jacksonville — Morrisville police were at a Microtel hotel Tuesday afternoon where they believe they found the truck belonging to a Camp Lejeune Marine accused of killing a pregnant comrade.

A nationwide manhunt has been ongoing since Friday for Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean, who is wanted for killing Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach, 20. She was 8 ½ months pregnant at the time.

Video shows that license plates on the truck at the hotel matched those on a black Dodge pick up that police said belonged to Laurean. The hotel is off Airport Boulevard near Interstate 40.

Lauterbach, whose remains were found in Onslow County over the weekend, died as the result of blunt force trauma to the head, authorities announced Tuesday. Other questions remained about the woman's fetus, including how and when it died and who the father is.

Officials found the burned remains of Lauterbach and her fetus in a fire pit behind Laurean’s house in Onslow County. She had previously accused him of rape, officials said.

Authorities are hoping a $25,000 reward, plus billboards posted nationwide, will help lead to Laurean’s capture. Citizens have offered to donate money to increase the reward, and officials said a higher amount might be put forward.

It’s possible that Laurean is receiving help to evade capture, officials said, although they didn’t say who might be helping him. Laurean’s wife is a key witness in the case, but she has been cooperating with authorities, they said.

Laurean most likely fled Jacksonville before dawn Friday, according to authorities. He left behind a note in which he admitted burying Lauterbach’s body, officials said, but he claimed she cut her own throat in a suicide.

Authorities previously rejected the idea that Lauterbach had committed suicide.

FBI spokesman Newsom Summerlin said investigators have no reason to believe Laurean has fled the country, but that it is possible.

An ATM card belonging to Lauterbach was found Saturday in Durham. A jogger passing by a Greyhound Bus station downtown noticed it in the bushes and turned it over to Durham police, they said.

Police said it was unlikely the card was used at the bus station because the card reader there has been out of operation for several days.

Investigators remain unsure of the accuracy of witness reports placing Laurean at a bus depot in Shreveport, La., on Saturday night. The witnesses said they were unclear whether the man believed to be Laurean boarded a bus that was headed to Texas or left the station.

North Carolina is one of 15 states without a fetal homicide law, but Onslow County District Attorney Dewey Hudson said he has no plans to step aside in favor of a military prosecution.

That makes it unlikely that Laurean would be prosecuted under the federal fetal homicide law passed in 2004 during the height of attention to the California trial of Scott Peterson, who was accused of murdering his pregnant wife, Laci.

The federal law makes it a crime to harm a fetus during an assault on a pregnant woman, but anti-abortion activists who pushed for it believe it has never been used - in part because murder cases are typically prosecuted in state courts.

The district attorney said he talked with Lauterbach’s father, Victor Lauterbach, Monday and gave him the news that the remains were identified as hers.

“Of course, he was very emotional,” Hudson said. “He was concerned about when the body would be released so that they could transport it back to Ohio for burial.”

In Lauterbach's hometown near Dayton, Ohio, hundreds of friends and neighbors offered prayers for her Monday evening. Relatives filed into a church for a prayer service and sat in the front row.

"This evening, we are suffering," the Rev. Francis Keferl told a spillover crowd of more than 800 at St. Christopher Catholic Church.

Lauterbach's mother, Mary, dabbed at her eyes with a tissue during the 40-minute service. A congregant gave her a pink rose.

Members of the congregation will remember Lauterbach for her strength, vitality, independent spirit, athletic talents and service as a Marine, said Elise Wahle, youth ministry coordinator for the church.

"Her goal was to be a Marine and wear the uniform," said neighbor Kent Zimmerman.

Re: Where is Corporal Laurean???

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:24 pm
by lurkey
artist wrote:I would think it should be military, wouldn't it, since they were both enlisted? Did he live on base or off?


He lived off the base and the murder occurred off base. It took place in jurisdiction of the Onslow County sheriff. According to my mom, he lived off of Gum Branch Road (which is off of US 24/ US 258 going through Richlands), one of the back ways(least I consider it a back way to Jax) from Richlands to Jacksonville. His house is on the outskirts of Jacksonville city limits.

Re: Where is Corporal Laurean???

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:41 pm
by Dionne
I want to see this guys military record. His MOS....training.....assignments. Who is he and why can he evade so well? Is he a combat veteran? Has he been decorated? Why are all the search engines shut down on Cesar Laurean?

Re: Where is Corporal Laurean???

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:20 pm
by MGC
I heard on TV that he speaks fluent spanish and might be headed to Mexico....MGC

Re: Where is Corporal Laurean???

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:29 pm
by lurkey
Marines: Slain pregnant Marine didn’t feel threatened by suspect

January 15, 2008 - 6:02PM
(AP) — A 20-year-old pregnant Marine who disappeared in December told victims’ advocates at Camp Lejeune that she didn’t feel unsafe in the presence of the colleague now wanted in her death, Marine Corps officials said Tuesday.

Marine Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean never violated the military protective order directing him to stay away from Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach, and he continued to report for work on time in the weeks after her disappearance, said Col. Gary Skolowski, the judge advocate general officer for the II Marine Expeditionary Force.

“At no time did she indicate that she was threatened by Cpl. Laurean,” Skolowski said. “When she was asked if she felt threatened by Cpl. Laurean, she said she did not feel threatened.”

Authorities confirmed Tuesday the remains found over weekend in a fire pit in Laurean’s backyard were those of Lauterbach and her child. Dr. Charles Garrett, the Onslow County medical examiner, said Lauterbach, who was eight months pregnant when she vanished, died from “traumatic head injury due to blunt force trauma.”


For local view on the story, the best sites are:
WRAL news -- Raleigh, NC
Jacksonville Daily News
News and Observer -- Raleigh

Re: Where is Corporal Laurean???

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:31 pm
by brunota2003
lurker_from_nc wrote:
artist wrote:I would think it should be military, wouldn't it, since they were both enlisted? Did he live on base or off?


He lived off the base and the murder occurred off base. It took place in jurisdiction of the Onslow County sheriff. According to my mom, he lived off of Gum Branch Road (which is off of US 24/ US 258 going through Richlands), one of the back ways(least I consider it a back way to Jax) from Richlands to Jacksonville. His house is on the outskirts of Jacksonville city limits.

Yes, he both lives off base and the murder (along with burning of the remains) took place off base. Therefore, it is a CIVILIAN matter (Civilian jurisdiction), not military. However, I would like to see him stand trial both in the civilian world, and the USMC. At least court martial him and dishonorably discharge him from the Marine Corps (if they cant do worse). Perhaps the firing squad needs to be brought back for this one particular case? He is a disgrace to our Country, Flag, and citizens in the Armed Forces. Treason, anyone?

I hope he isnt dead yet, I'd like to see him stand trial...

Re: Where is Corporal Laurean???

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:06 pm
by Cookiely
Why?
Aliases: Cesar Gudino, Cesar Sanchez, Cesar Armando Laurean Ramirez

Re: Where is Corporal Laurean???

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:26 am
by Dionne
This entire deal is very strange. None of it adds up. How in the world this guy is getting away is beyond me?

Now I see the FBI has set up an anonymous tip line as part of the search.

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:08 am
by Derek Ortt
the military, I believe, still has jurisdiction over crimes involving two members of the MILITARY.

Court martial him and IF he is guilty, hang him slowly. Firing squad is too good for him. Hang him like the traitor he is, IF GUILTY

Re:

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:37 am
by lurkey
Derek Ortt wrote:the military, I believe, still has jurisdiction over crimes involving two members of the MILITARY.

Court martial him and IF he is guilty, hang him slowly. Firing squad is too good for him. Hang him like the traitor he is, IF GUILTY


Derek -- The NCIS is involved along with the Sheriff Brown with the investigation of the crime. Sheriff Brown has been sheriff of Onslow County for forever and a day. I am sure this is not the first time he has been involved in an investigation where a member of military was the victim and a military member was the alledged assailant. In fact, I'd probably say it is quite common down there. The Onslow County sheriff and the Jacksonville Police Department have procedures dealing with matters like this. In fact, some the deputies and police officers are ex-military. So, it ain't like they are good ole local boys with nothing better to do. The sheriff and the Onslow County court system has jurisdiction, because it occurred off base. The USMC has jurisdiction, b/c members of military were involved. I am sure the JAG office and the DA have talked. Again this is not an uncommon occurance. It is quite possible that the DA will try the case and the JAG office will intiate court martial proceedings, not for the crime itself, but for other various violation of military code commited in commison of the crime.


Let local authorities and NCIS work the jurisdictional issues out. The only difference between this case and other cases of homicide commited by military members is this case made the national news.

Re: Where is Corporal Laurean???

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:14 pm
by MGC
Military members are subject to double jeopardy. They can be brought up on charges for the same crime by both civilian authorities and the military and tried by both.....MGC

Re: Where is Corporal Laurean???

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:59 am
by Dionne
He's gone. Disappeared. Escape and evade. Well trained. Possibly in Mexico.