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Re: Tropical Storm DEAN: Discussions=12:00 Models=50 kts,997 mbs

#2421 Postby TreasureIslandFLGal » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:28 am

TreasureIslandFLGal wrote:What will the affect of TD5 be on the highs/lows CONUS and the Atlantic Ridge??? I don't think any of the models are taking the developing gulf strom into much consideration at this point. When I look at the models, many don't even show the gulf system at all, or if they do, very very weakly. What will the remnants of the system do? Will a trough be in the place of the storm? Will it be back filled by an eastward moving high that should protect TX but potentially send a storm to the upper gulf? Any insights???


Any input from the Pro Mets here? I really think that this could be our "X-Factor" in the final end game.
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Re: Tropical Storm DEAN: Discussions=12:00 Models=50 kts,997 mbs

#2422 Postby linkerweather » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:32 am

Chrissy,
Good question. But, it seems to me that the timing will play out that TD 5 shouldn't impact the overall environment enough to affect too much the overal synoptic pattern. Even longer range, TD5/ERIN wouldn't just sit over TEXAS and eventually cause a troughiness there. With that said, I would still want to see more run to run consistancy even with respect to the scope of the atlantic high's westward movement overt ime
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Re: Tropical Storm DEAN: Discussions=12:00 Models=50 kts,997 mbs

#2423 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:34 am

3. TROPICAL STORM DEAN
FLIGHT ONE
A. 16/1800Z
B. AFXXX 0104A DEAN
C. 16/1430Z
D. 13.2N 53.7W
E. 16/1700Z TO 16/2100Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

FLIGHT TWO
A. 17/0000Z
B. NOAA9 0204A DEAN
C. 16/1800Z
D. NA
E. NA
F. 41,000 TO 45,000 FT
4. SUCCEEDING DAY OUTLOOK: BEGIN 6-HRLY FIXES AT 17/12000Z.
ANOTHER G-IV MISSION


First mission to Dean will be tommorow with departure from ST Croix around 10:30 AM EDT.And the gulfstream jet will be out too.That will be important for the models to get the upper enviroment information.
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#2424 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:34 am

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Re: Tropical Storm DEAN: Discussions=12:00 Models=50 kts,997 mbs

#2425 Postby knotimpaired » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:38 am

TreasureIslandFLGal wrote:What will the affect of TD5 be on the highs/lows CONUS and the Atlantic Ridge??? I don't think any of the models are taking the developing gulf strom into much consideration at this point. When I look at the models, many don't even show the gulf system at all, or if they do, very very weakly. What will the remnants of the system do? Will a trough be in the place of the storm? Will it be back filled by an eastward moving high that should protect TX but potentially send a storm to the upper gulf? Any insights???


I think there is a TD 5 thread going and this may be more appropriate there.
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#2427 Postby vacanechaser » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:40 am

thats a nice, huge feederband coming in from the east and wraping around the west side... get that thing in a better enviornment, all bets are off then... reminds me a little of isidore in 2002... he had large long feederbands, once developement took hold of course and become a major cane in the gulf...


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Re: Tropical Storm DEAN: Discussions=12:00 Models=50 kts,997 mbs

#2428 Postby vacanechaser » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:41 am

knotimpaired wrote:
TreasureIslandFLGal wrote:What will the affect of TD5 be on the highs/lows CONUS and the Atlantic Ridge??? I don't think any of the models are taking the developing gulf strom into much consideration at this point. When I look at the models, many don't even show the gulf system at all, or if they do, very very weakly. What will the remnants of the system do? Will a trough be in the place of the storm? Will it be back filled by an eastward moving high that should protect TX but potentially send a storm to the upper gulf? Any insights???


I think there is a TD 5 thread going and this may be more appropriate there.


sorry, have to disagree.. she asked what impact it would have on dean down the road... perfectly fine here... it is in relation to dean..

edit: sorry inferred what impact on dean... i and others see where she is going with this question. i asked it too yesterday and we are unsure just yet what impact it might have on the upper levels down the road as dean gets closer..

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#2429 Postby punkyg » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:42 am

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#2430 Postby WmE » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:43 am

What an overshooting top??
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#2431 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:44 am

If you had used another color, maybe!!!

Yes, I see what you see. Looks interesting.
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#2432 Postby punkyg » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:44 am

What i circled looks lower then the rest of the cloud tops.
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Re: Tropical Storm DEAN: Discussions,Analysis and Imagery

#2433 Postby Fego » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:45 am

I see what you are seeing but I don't know what it is. :oops:
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Re: TS Dean: For any Island in the Carib that could be affected

#2434 Postby jes » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:46 am

I've also thought of you everytime a storm developes. However, I've also thought how lucky you are that most storms are kind of in the beginning stages when they get to you - cat 1 or 2. How strong is Dean supposed to be by the time he reaches you? I'm talking about all the very little pretty islands very far out --- the first group. I think ms Bee is on one of them. If you are hit how long does it take to get help to you? I wonder if you will get help faster since the Katrina experience. I think that this board will stay with you through the whole experince. I remember 6 or 7 years ago when everyone stayed with Cycloneye through a storm. I remember him sitting on the floor posting with his laptop until the power went out. That was when everyone was on a different board -- before storm 2K. Good luck - we haven't forgotten you.
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#2435 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:47 am

punkyg wrote:What i circled looks lower then the rest of the cloud tops.


Insteed of a circule an arrow pointing to it is better. :)
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Re: Tropical Storm DEAN: Discussions,Analysis and Imagery

#2436 Postby Fego » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:47 am

Lower?.. ummm nahhhh I don't think the word e_e is ready to show up.. nope
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Re: Tropical Storm DEAN: Discussions=12:00 Models=50 kts,997 mbs

#2437 Postby TreasureIslandFLGal » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:47 am

linkerweather wrote:Chrissy,
Good question. But, it seems to me that the timing will play out that TD 5 shouldn't impact the overall environment enough to affect too much the overal synoptic pattern. Even longer range, TD5/ERIN wouldn't just sit over TEXAS and eventually cause a troughiness there. With that said, I would still want to see more run to run consistancy even with respect to the scope of the atlantic high's westward movement overt ime


Thanks Josh.
I like to use this HPC issued website: http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/medr/day3nav_pre.html
to view the highs, lows, ridges, fronts and get an easier idea of the projected movements of all of these in trying to guess where a storm may go. What I see with HPC's rendition though, is that they have no impact of TD5 and don't even show Dean getting into the picture at all within 7 days. that's why I asked, to see if TD5's impact would somehow make things move differently.

I agree that the models have been flopping around regarding how the Atlantic ridge builds in over the southeast. Some show a stronger ridge over a broad area, some show the ridge bulging into the states starting at a higher latitude than others, but all seem to eventually bring it over the entire southeast,(our protection?), but how fast it does this and how far to the south the ridge "protects" is what the models are still debating.

I think that if Dean goes predominently west across the Carribean and progs south of Haiti, it is not an issue for Florida at all, but I think points from Pensacola to NE Mexico will be under the gun.
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Re: Tropical Storm DEAN: Global Models

#2438 Postby Wx_Warrior » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:49 am

Good morning all! Another wild wednesday i c...

I went back and couldn't find the final of the EURO...Where does it take dean?
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Re: Tropical Storm DEAN: Discussions,Analysis and Imagery

#2439 Postby miamicanes177 » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:52 am

Just in from The Weather Channel: "As it moves to the east, it is forecast to strengthen to a hurricane" :lol:
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