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Re: Hurricane DEAN:(Page 106) Discussions, Analysis and Imagery

#4621 Postby Lowpressure » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:24 pm

Bill Kamal wrote:Hey guys, this is my first post. My thoughts and prayers go out to any of you in the path of this storm. I guess we can only hope that by some miracle, this storm weakens considerably before hitting any landmasses or causing loss of life.


Welcome to the board during a very busy time. Although it would be nice, I do not see this hurricane being nice at all.
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Re: 12z GFS,NOGAPS,CMC,UKMET,GFDL Posted,EURO Shortly

#4622 Postby Wx_Warrior » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:24 pm

Hmmm.....EURO and Mexico...several, several runs in a row for EURO...We know what trend they like
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Re: Hurricane DEAN:(Page 106) Discussions, Analysis and Imagery

#4623 Postby PTrackerLA » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:25 pm

Dean has really grown in size, check out this loop.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/catl/loop-vis.html
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Re: 12z GFS,NOGAPS,CMC,UKMET,GFDL Posted,EURO Shortly

#4624 Postby canegrl04 » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:25 pm

The model runs for the next 24 hours will be crucial.If all show a more North trend,Dean will target US states.If not,then I will accept that Dean will go into Mexico
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Re: Hurricane DEAN:(Page 106) Discussions, Analysis and Imagery

#4625 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:25 pm

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Re: Hurricane DEAN:(Page 106) Discussions, Analysis and Imagery

#4626 Postby Sanibel » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:26 pm

About the Bahamas ULL - if you look at Puerto Rican long range radar the rain storms are all moving west. That is the prevailing flow under the ULL currently. Don't see any pull-up there as evidence by cloud flow at that level.
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#4627 Postby RL3AO » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:27 pm

The question is whether or not it will rapidly intensify tonight.
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#4628 Postby caribepr » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:28 pm

I have a few friends on Dominica and they are aware. One got out this morning, some others are trying to get out, but I would figure it's too late now. For the country people without that option, some of whom are friends...I'm very very concerned :(
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#4629 Postby KFDM Meteorologist » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:28 pm

PTrackerLA wrote:KFDM, do you think the GFDL is on to something?
Yea i hope it's on that 500 High building back west along the Gulf coast.
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#4630 Postby Lowpressure » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:28 pm

RL3AO wrote:The question is whether or not it will rapidly intensify tonight.

I say it does, once that eye clears out. It will be interesting to see the diameter of the eye once it does clear. He is looking nasty.
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Re: Hurricane DEAN:(Page 106) Discussions, Analysis and Imagery

#4631 Postby tolakram » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:28 pm

First purple spot:

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Eyewall closure? Would appreciate comments from someone who can read dvorak images.

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Updates From Barbados Re: DEAN (As Observed From My House)

#4632 Postby abajan » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:29 pm

Today started out noticeably hazier than the last couple of days which were picture perfect with pretty blue skies but uncomfortably hot.

About 25 minutes ago we had a light shower lasting about 5 minutes accompanied by a some gusty breezes but nothing alarming.

Right now it's almost completely overcast with just a couple patches of blue sky in the west (no more haze). To the east, I can see cumulonimbus clouds but it's not raining and winds are almost calm.

More updates will follow.

BTW, my house is about 3 miles WSW of the airport.
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Re: 12z GFS,NOGAPS,CMC,UKMET,GFDL,EURO Posted

#4633 Postby Wx_Warrior » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:29 pm

No 1 wants to believe the EURO because it fails to hit MEX, that's what is so sad...
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Re: Hurricane DEAN:(Page 106) Discussions, Analysis and Imagery

#4634 Postby sfwx » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:29 pm

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Re: Hurricane DEAN:(Page 106) Discussions, Analysis and Imagery

#4635 Postby Sanibel » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:30 pm

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#4636 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:30 pm

Good hearing from you. Nice to hear first-hand reports. Good luck and stay safe.
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Re: Hurricane DEAN:(Page 106) Discussions, Analysis and Imagery

#4637 Postby SouthFloridawx » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:31 pm

The N-S orientation of the ridge is plainly visible, and with my post a page or two back, I have already commented on this.

I like to call it a squeeze play...
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windstorm99 wrote:Here is a very interesting read i found from another pro-met on another forum.

Lots of talk on the evolution of the high, the Cut off low, and other features that may affect Dean. In looking at the current models, I also share concern that the models may be making the overall atmosheric dynamics too straight forward. With respect to the GFDL, this is one the most reliable hurricane forecasting models and this model always gets very heavy weigh in on forcast tracks. With that said, I think last nights GFDL was weakening Dean during the forecast period as it was seeing a system that would head into the Cutoff low and experience shear. As for todays model runs so far, the GFDL seems to have recognized that Dean is more formidable than the weaker tropical counterparts. As a result, the GFDL now sees an interaction with the cutoff low that moves it NWward, versus lasts nights representation that moved Dean under the cutoff and into a sheared environment.

Now, back to the Upper Low, the high pressure ridge and possible steering consequences. I'm gonna dive into the Water Vapor here, and I'donly like to base my interpertations on how the steering flow may change over the next 24 hours. Tomorrow, I will likely post a similar post looking at the next 24 hour period.

The cutoff low does not appear to be weakening, it is moving to the west very slowly,but probably not as fast as one would expect based on the models...This could be an implication, since Dean is making some headway on the cutoff low.
- There is indeed a trough affiliated with the cutoff low, and the trough does extend pretty far into the Carribean.
- True, the Ridge of High Pressure is moving westward and placing some pressure on the southern extent of the Cut-off low/trough. However, I am somewhat concerned about the cutoff low that is also moving westward and centered around around 30N, 46W. The reason for concern is that the interaction of the Bahama's low and this low may change the orientation of the ridge...instead of the ridge being oriented E-W as forcasts indicate, the ridge may become oriented in a N-S direction. This may hinder the westward progress of the Bahama's low in the coming day or so. It may also hinder the continued westward advancement of the ridge that the models want to depict.
- Finally, I notice a weak (albiet Small) upper level low trying to form ahead of Dean along the South American Coast. (Around 10N and 62.5W). This would have little impact on Dean from a shearing prospective...But as this kink in the upper level winds continues to prog westward, it will be curious to see if this links up with the Bahama's Cutoff Low and increases the southerly flow.

- AT this point, the jet stream looks fairly zonal...no real troughs or ridges...so nothing to really move the high over the Missippi Valley/Georgia area too much (considering the ULL over the Bahama's). However, in looking downstream, the ridge over the Miss. Valley/GA extends into the Northern Gulf and western Gulf States. So even though the Atlantic Ridge is pushing on the Baham's Low from the east, the High over the Southeast is pushing on the Cutoff low from the west. Talk about mother nature's power play...

In sum, I do not expect the upper level low over the Bahama's to make as much westward progess as was expected during the next 24 hours and the bottom line is this...Dean is making faster forward progress to the west than the Baham's low. Dean and it's anticipated 200MB ridge will push back on the ULL when they get a little closer to one another, but if the Upper Low does not fade away in the next 72 hours, I would not be surprised to see the models indact a more northerly route with time. That Gulfstream Jet Data is gonna be very important to the upcoming forecasts. Mean time...In another 24 hours...it will be interesting to look again and post on what is expected through Saturday...
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#4638 Postby JonathanBelles » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:32 pm

Keep us informed and stay safe.
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Re: 12z GFS,NOGAPS,CMC,UKMET,GFDL,EURO Posted

#4639 Postby mgpetre » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:32 pm

Wx_Warrior wrote:No 1 wants to believe the EURO because it fails to hit MEX, that's what is so sad...


You are correct that no one wants to let their guard down, but I for one and many in Houston would be very glad if it misses us altogether. However, I would still have great empathy for those in Mex... which is where the Euro is currently predicting.
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Re: Hurricane DEAN: Recon obs

#4640 Postby artist » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:33 pm

unfortunately it happens sometimes for whatever reason
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