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Re: ATL IKE: Tropical Depression - Discussion

#13161 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:31 am

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:SPECI KPOF 141201Z AUTO 20035G57KT

This adds support to my thinking that Ike is still a tropical storm...


Yes, Ike should still be a tropical storm based on that data.
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#13162 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:32 am

Ad Novoxium wrote:
fasterdisaster wrote:Won't be seeing you in 2014.

Amen.


That's correct...sorry Ike, but once you're done, the :Can: is for you!
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#13163 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:38 am

Other boards are saying there is significant damage in Paducah, KY where those winds were reported - they might have been higher.
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#13164 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:42 am

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Re: ATL IKE: Tropical Depression - Discussion

#13165 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:46 am

Unknown how many killed by Ike

Updated: Sep 14, 2008 09:29 AM

CLEAR LAKE, Texas, (CBS) - Floodwaters still cover huge tracts of southeast Texas in the aftermath of Hurricane Ike.

The massive storm pounded coastal areas and still packed a powerful punch when it reached Houston.

Thousands face losing everything and many more will be cleaning up for days and weeks to come.

No one knows how many Texans have been stranded or killed by Ike. From Galveston to Houston, the hurricane zone is a tangled mess.

Millions are without power, roads are blocked and floodwaters stretch for miles but despite those challenges, search teams are out in force.

About 1,000 victims have been rescued, but that could just be the tip of the iceberg. An estimated 140,000 people ignored mandatory evacuation orders and rode out the storm.

Many of them now regret that decision.

Forecasters warned Texans for days that Ike was powerful and nasty, but many held out hope that it wouldn't be so bad. Not this time.

Thousands who did evacuate are now in limbo, most not allowed back home until floods recede. A few managed to get a peek at their future.

That will not be the case for a still untold number of victims. Preliminary estimates put the damage at $8 billion!

Story by Joel Brown, CBS
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#13166 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:48 am

Current report from Carbondale, IL - 39 mph sustained winds, 61 mph gusts

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/data/obhistory/KMDH.html
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#13167 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:51 am

It's race against time to save Ike stalwarts

By CHRISTOPHER SHERMAN – 46 minutes ago

GALVESTON, Texas (AP) — Rescue crews canvassed neighborhoods inundated by Ike's storm surge early Sunday morning, racing against time to save those who spent a second harrowing night trapped amid flattened houses, strewn debris and downed power lines.

One team of paramedics, rescue dogs and structural engineers fanned out under a nearly full moon on a finger of land in Galveston Bay. Authorities hoped to spare thousands of Texans — 140,000 by some estimates who ignored orders to flee ahead of Hurricane Ike — from another night among the destruction. Some had been rescued, but unknown thousands remained stranded.

Only four deaths had been blamed on Ike so far: two in Texas and two in Louisiana.

Along the southeast Texas coast Sunday, the weather wasn't cooperating. Thunderstorms dropped more rain on areas already flooded by Ike.

In Houston, the nation's fourth-largest city, a weeklong curfew from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m. was announced because most of the city was still without power.

"In the interest of safety, we're asking people to not be out in the streets in their vehicles or on foot," Chief Harold Hurtt said.

President Bush planned to travel to Texas on Tuesday to express sympathy and lend support to the storm's victims. He asked people who evacuated before the hurricane to listen to local authorities before trying to return home.

Roads blocked by waist-deep water and downed trees kept many rescuers at bay as they struggled through the largest search-and-rescue effort in state history, just a day after the Category 2 storm crashed into Texas with 110 mph winds.

Five-year-old Jack King escaped serious injury when storm surge sent a rush of water that washed out the first floor of his family's Galveston home just two blocks from the bay.

"I falled in the attic," Jack told paramedic Stanley Hempstead of his 10-foot tumble through the attic and onto the garage floor. Jack and his family had taken refuge in the room, loaded with blankets and other supplies. As the Texas Task Force 1 Search and Rescue crew arrived, Jack gazed at a TV aglow with "The Simpsons." The only evidence of his fall was a Band-Aid plastered to his closely-cropped hair, covering a gash.

"We just didn't think it was going to come up like this," said the boy's father, Lee King. "I'm from New Orleans, I know better. I just didn't think it was going to happen."

The Kings had hoped that a family member would pick them up, but a paramedic told him the road inland wouldn't be open for days. Lee King thought they could survive another night, but then their generator died. He ultimately decided the family was ready to leave.

Hempstead and other team members sailed through flooded streets Saturday, evoking thoughts of another disastrous storm that kept him working for 31 days.

"This brings back memories of Katrina — a lot of torn up homes and flooded stuff," he said of the hurricane that struck New Orleans three years ago.

On one side of the Galveston peninsula, a couple of barges had broken loose and smashed into homes. Everything from red vinyl barstools to clay roof tiles littered the landscape. Some homes were "pancaked," the second floor sitting where the first had been before Ike's surge washed it out. Only the stud frames remained below the roofs of many houses, opening a clear view from front yard to back.

Gov. Rick Perry's office said 940 people had been saved by nightfall Saturday, but that thousands had made distress calls the night before. Another 600 were rescued from flooding in neighboring Louisiana.

"What's really frustrating is that we can't get to them," Galveston police officer Tommie Mafrei said. "It's jeopardizing our safety when we try to tell them eight hours before to leave. They are naive about it, thinking it's not going to be that bad."

Some coastal residents waded through chest-deep water with their belongings and children in their arms to get to safety Saturday. Military helicopters loaded others carrying plastic bags and pets in their arms and brought them to dry ground.

Big-wheeled dump trucks, boats and helicopters were at the ready to continue searching hard-hit Galveston and Orange County at daybreak Sunday.

The water had reached 3 feet deep in Jeffrey Jordan's Galveston living room by the time police arrived to save him and his family. Like many who were rescued in the hours after the storm, he was escorted to a shelter.

"They sent a dump truck to get us," Jordan said. "We shouldn't have been there because the water was rising something like a foot every five minutes."

Orange Mayor Brown Claybar estimated about a third of the city of 19,000 people was flooded, anywhere from six inches to six feet. He said about 375 people who stayed behind during the storm began to emerge, some needing food, water and medical care.

"These people got out with the wet shirts on their back," said Claybar, who had no idea of how many people were still stranded. Claybar was optimistic that the foot-and-a-half of water over the levee had receded overnight. If so, the city could begin pumping the water out, Claybar said. He didn't know exactly how long it would take to drain the city.

"I would say at least a couple of days," Claybar said.

In downtown Houston, winds shattered the windows of gleaming skyscrapers, sleeting glass onto the streets below. Police used bullhorns to order people back into their homes. Furniture littered the streets, and business documents stamped "classified" had been carried by the wind through shattered office windows.

The storm weakened to a tropical depression early Sunday morning, but was still packing winds up to 35 mph as it dumped rain over Arkansas and traveled across Missouri. Tornado warning sirens sounded Saturday in parts of Arkansas, and the still-potent storm downed trees and knocked out power to thousands there.

Ike was the first major storm to directly hit a major U.S. metropolitan area since Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans in 2005.

More than 3 million were without power in Texas at the height of the storm, and it could be weeks before it is fully restored. Utilities made some progress by late Saturday, and lights returned to parts of Houston. In Louisiana, battered by both Ike and Labor Day's Hurricane Gustav, 180,000 homes and businesses were without power.

Storm surge that crawled some 30 miles inland in Louisiana flooded tens of thousands of homes. A levee broke and some 13,000 buildings flooded in Terrebonne Parish, 200 miles from Texas. More than 160 people had to be saved from floodwaters near Lake Charles.

Though emergency crews were frustrated by those who stayed behind, weary residents of East Texas' swamplands and Big Piney Woods were beginning to feel that whatever decision they make about a Gulf hurricane is wrong.

In 2005, they were battered by Hurricane Rita, a powerful September storm that ripped pine trees from their roots, smashed trailer- and wood-frame homes and left them in what has become a perpetual state of disrepair with the trademark FEMA blue tarps still visible over some.

Wary of another such disaster, they listened when authorities told them to get out of Gustav's way last week. They spent days in north Texas shelters or doled out precious dollars on hotels and gas while their homes received nothing more than a mild shower.

This time around, thousands ignored the mandatory evacuation order and were sucker-punched by the stronger side of Ike.

Those who did leave were glad they heeded orders, despite the inconvenience. Retired nurse Ida Mayfield said that because Gustav hit Louisiana and not Beaumont two weeks ago, many decided not to evacuate ahead of Ike. She was warm and dry at a church-turned shelter in Tyler, along with thousands of her neighbors.

"Two o'clock this morning made a believer out of all of them," said the 52-year-old Mayfield, adding that she spoke to a friend Saturday who was on a roof waiting for help after calling 911. "They're scared now."

Associated Press Writers Pauline Arrillaga in Houston, Jay Root and Kelley Shannon in Austin, Doug Simpson in Baton Rouge, April Castro, Mark Williams and Andre Coe in College Station, Allen G. Breed in Surfside Beach, Juan Lozano in Orange, Elizabeth White in San Antonio and Michael Kunzelman contributed to this report.

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How in anyone's right mind would you stay in your house, two blocks from the Galveston Bay with a 5-year old kid to await a storm like Ike. It doesn't make sense. People are just crazy.
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#13168 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:58 am

000
NWUS53 KPAH 141454
LSRPAH

PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PADUCAH KY
954 AM CDT SUN SEP 14 2008

..TIME... ...EVENT... ...CITY LOCATION... ...LAT.LON...
..DATE... ....MAG.... ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE....
..REMARKS..

0854 AM NON-TSTM WND DMG MAYFIELD 36.74N 88.65W
09/14/2008 GRAVES KY TRAINED SPOTTER

0900 AM NON-TSTM WND DMG PADUCAH 37.07N 88.64W
09/14/2008 MCCRACKEN KY TRAINED SPOTTER

WIDESPREAD TREES AND POWER LINES DOWN THROUGHOUT
MCCRACKEN COUNTY

0925 AM NON-TSTM WND GST POSSUM TROT 37.01N 88.43W
09/14/2008 E70.00 MPH MARSHALL KY TRAINED SPOTTER

0925 AM NON-TSTM WND DMG PADUCAH 37.07N 88.64W
09/14/2008 MCCRACKEN KY TRAINED SPOTTER

SEMI-TRUCK BLOWN OVER ON INTERSTATE 24.

0925 AM NON-TSTM WND GST CALVERT CITY 37.03N 88.35W
09/14/2008 E74.00 MPH MARSHALL KY NWS EMPLOYEE

SHINGLES BLOWN OFF HOUSE


&&

$$

DLL

HURRICANE-force gusts reported in the lower Ohio Valley!
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#13169 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:00 am

HPC 10 AM CDT:

REPEATING THE 1000 AM CDT POSITION...39.0 NORTH...AND LONGITUDE
89.0 WEST. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35 TO 40 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL
PRESSURE...987 MB.
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#13170 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:01 am

HURAKAN wrote:HPC 10 AM CDT:

REPEATING THE 1000 AM CDT POSITION...39.0 NORTH...AND LONGITUDE
89.0 WEST. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35 TO 40 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL
PRESSURE...987 MB.


Notice they use the 35 mph (wrong!) to keep it a TD.
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#13171 Postby Solaris » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:03 am

not sure if related:

IL--Severe Weather-Illinois (Tops),0144



Chicago to ask for disaster declaration


CHICAGO (AP) _ Chicago authorities say they'll ask the
governor's office to issue a disaster declaration for the city
because of flooding caused by record rainfall.

The National Weather Service says the Chicago area could receive
a few more inches of rain today.

It says 6.61 inches of rain were recorded at O'Hare
International Airport as of last night. That's the heaviest
calendar day rainfall since record-keeping began in 1871.

One of the worst hit communities in Chicago is Albany Park.
Officials say nearly 350 homes in that North Side community have
been affected by rising water and 40 residents have been evacuated.

Officials say the Chicago River is about two feet above normal
levels. That's down from about three and a half feet yesterday.

Flooding is also reported along the Des Plaines River in the
Chicago suburbs.





(Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

APTV 09-14-08 1100EDT
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#13172 Postby Solaris » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:13 am

UPDATE 1-Texas oil refineries could be down 9 days-US senator


September 14, 2008

(Updates with new quote, paragraph three, fresh details, background)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Texas oil refineries disabled by the massive Hurricane Ike could remain idled for up to nine days and Americans should brace for possible gas shortages, U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison said Sunday.

"We are looking at another week or eight or nine days before refineries are up and going, so refined gasoline is going to be in a shortage situation because of the power outages and flooding," the Texas senator said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

"It is going to be felt for the next week, that we have gasoline shortages, so people need to be prepared for that."

Hutchison said she had received a briefing on Ike's aftermath from officials from the Federal Emergency Management Agency who told her that 40,000 evacuees were spread across Texas and some 2 million people were without electricity.

Ike, a sprawling hurricane estimated to have caused billions of dollars of damage, forced a shutdown of a quarter of U.S. crude oil production as it passed over the heart of the U.S. energy industry.

The biggest disruption in U.S. energy supplies in three years saw work halted at 15 Texas oil refineries as a precaution ahead of the storm.

(Reporting by Ross Colvin, Editing by Doina Chiacu, World Desk Washington)

2008-09-14 15:10:54 GMT (Reuters)
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#13173 Postby Pebbles » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:21 am

There is a LOT of water here. my front yard is flooding out.. Mind you the grading will prevent any water from getting in my house. So it's not really a concern. There is quite a bit of standing water on roads though. And, I do worry about those in neighborhood by rivers. We've had so much rain between Ike and Gustuv.

My understanding is we are suppose to be getting some gusty winds this afternoon as what remains of Ike past just to our south and then west. This would normally not concern me... but worried about tree's toppling due to the oversaturated ground.

P.S. My husband just walked in the door as I finished posting. He went to run a quick errand and it took him longer because they are beginning to shut down roads due to flooding. We still have a long way to go with this rain too.
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#13174 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:24 am

AL, 09, 2008091412, , BEST, 0, 376N, 910W, 40, 986, EX, 34, NEQ, 0, 75, 40, 0,

(Doesn't look extratropical to me though)
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#13175 Postby vbhoutex » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:24 am

Some views of the vbhoutex homestead after Ike. We were lucky compared to many. Several houses on the block have trees or huge limbs on the roof. We have friends who lost parts of their roof and had 5 limbs come through their roof. Now parts of Houston are dealing with flooding. I don't think we are in our neighborhood. Will be heading home shortly to check things out again. We are lucky to have a son who has power(lives in Cypress). That is why I can post. It looks like this or worse all over Houston. MASSIVE CLEANUP AHEAD. I'm so thankful it wasn't worse. 6 hours of eyewall is 6 hours too many!!!

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Front Yard
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Back patio
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Back Fence-part down with the rest leaning
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Gate to back yard ripped in half
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Looking down driveway
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More back patio
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Looking out front door
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Another view of driveway
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Another view of driveway
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Our Chimney cap
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Our front yard
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Re: ATL IKE: Tropical Depression - Discussion

#13176 Postby Stephanie » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:29 am

Thank you for sharing your pictures David. I am so glad that you and yours are alright and the house is is pretty good shape. I love the design of it!
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#13177 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:30 am

vbhoutex wrote:Some views of the vbhoutex homestead after Ike. We were lucky compared to many. Several houses on the block have trees or huge limbs on the roof. We have friends who lost parts of their roof and had 5 limbs come through their roof. Now parts of Houston are dealing with flooding. I don't think we are in our neighborhood. Will be heading home shortly to check things out again. We are lucky to have a son who has power(lives in Cypress). That is why I can post. It looks like this or worse all over Houston. MASSIVE CLEANUP AHEAD. I'm so thankful it wasn't worse. 6 hours of eyewall is 6 hours too many!!!


Those are some impressive pictures...definitely a hard cleanup ahead! With that kind of tree damage, I can't see you getting power back anytime soon, unfortunately! At least your house itself seemed to make it through OK...
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#13178 Postby micktooth » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:33 am

Good luck with the cleanup, reminds me of my 'hood after Katrina. I'm glad you're safe. I REALLY hope that you remembered to empty out your refrigerator before you left.(Spoken from experience)
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#13179 Postby CoCo2 » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:34 am

TreasureIslandFLGal wrote:This is something I am only going to mention once, then not again, because it is a very bad thing that I realized and brings up bad memories.

We all know that like 40% of the population on those barrier islands opted to stay, as estimated from emergency personnel and even teh Mayor herself. We all woke to very few pictures and flyby's being shown, except for from high above.

We still are seeing very few aerial shots, unlike Katrina, when we saw many by now of many areas.

There may be a grizzly reason behind that.

You can't show bodies on tv. Joe Public can't see that. Congress can't see blood.

Before any of the footage can get out, it must be prescreened to ensure that they are not going to break the law and show any dead bodies floating.

With all those that stayed behind, with their innocent children, there would be a high likelikhood that some did not make it through the surge.



I saw lots of dead bodies floating the water in New Orleans after Katrina on the local and national news. Unfortunately those grusome scenes were all over the news, even on CNN. Several of those scenes still stick in my head. Not a nice thing to see. Even seeing the floating caskets and those washed up on the levees below New Orleans was a horrible thing to see.
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#13180 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:41 am

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From Ike to Illinois!
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