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#13361 Postby Shawee » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:09 am

Steve wrote:The bottom line is that that although each storm brings a different set of challenges, they should be nearly perfect after 3 years. Most of these people affected are Americans. I'd rather my substantial tax dollars go toward helping them than to defending Europe, rebuilding Iraq, arming Israel or other Middle Eastern countries, paying into perpetual welfare or any of the other places/things hundreds of billions of dollars go annually. That's my opinion. I am an American and believe that we should always come first.

While no doubt FEMA and DHS are getting better, they're still not doing a heckova job yet.

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Touche! after watching FEMA again being less than stellar following Gustav, my advice to those in TX and LA is to take everything promised with a grain of salt. I agree, they do seem to have gotten a lot better, but they are still hamstrung by being under Homeland Security, IMHO. Any bets that TX will not be required to pay the 10% match that was put on LA after Katrina and only lifted more than a year later???

dispite the over-predicted surge in the Galveston, the water still managed to saturate most areas of of SE TX, SW and Centeral Louisiana, where surge seems to have been greater than with Rita in many areas. over 15,000 homes flooded in Terrebonne Parish alone.
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Re: ATL IKE: Remmants - Discussion

#13362 Postby Shoshana » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:13 am

curtadams wrote:Re what we can do:

"Isaac's Storm" could be part of standard high school reading lists in coastal areas. It's a good read, and I think it gets across how terrifying and dangerous a major hurricane is, and how even what you'd think are good preparations do not suffice. One part that really stuck in my mind was how Cline stayed in his near-the-beach house because he'd built it himself and knew it was of excellent construction. And it was up to taking the wind and water. But the battering waves shoved the wreckage of the boardwalk into it and it disintegrated. His wife died that night. These storm are just too powerful to take chances.


Actually, they should do it everywhere - people move around and might move to the coast later. And the kids have relatives in coastal areas even if they don't live there.

On a related note, I went back and reread accounts of the 1900 storm, and it was interesting to see how the storm surge started arriving the day before the hurricane....
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#13363 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:19 am

I have been thinking since a few years ago that in schools there should be a class like "Natural Disasters" that would address the possible natural disasters that could affect your area and how to respond to them.
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#13364 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:21 am

At resort cut off by Ike, whole subdivisions gone

By CHRISTOPHER SHERMAN – 32 minutes ago

GALVESTON, Texas (AP) — More than 48 hours after Hurricane Ike swamped the Gulf Coast, rescuers flew for the first time Monday into areas cut off by the storm and found a scene of devastation, with whole subdivisions obliterated, and began evacuating survivors.

A Texas helicopter task force flew 115 rescuers onto the heavily damaged resort barrier island of Bolivar Peninsula, just east of hard-hit Galveston. Task force leader Chuck Jones said they were the first rescuers to reach the area that is home to about 30,000 people in the peak summer beach season.

"They had a lot of devastation over there," Jones said. "It took a direct hit."

Some subdivisions in the area are completely gone, he said.

Jones did not have information on whether anyone had died on the island, mainly because they still don't know how many stayed through the storm that struck early Saturday.

Of particular concern is a resident who collects exotic animals who is now holed up in a Baptist church with his pet lion. "We're not going in there," Jones said. "We know where he (the lion) is on the food chain."

Relief workers were hoping to make it back from Bolivar to Galveston on Monday night, but they were packing for an overnight stay just in case.

Two days after Ike battered Houston and forced thousands into emergency shelters, the death toll rose to 30 in eight states, many of them far to the north of the Gulf Coast as the storm slogged across the nation's midsection, leaving a trail of flooding and destruction.

Houston, littered with glass from skyscrapers, was placed under a weeklong curfew and millions of people in the storm's path remained in the dark.

Rescuers said they had saved nearly 2,000 people from waterlogged streets and splintered houses by Sunday afternoon. Many had ignored evacuation orders and tried to ride out the storm. Now they were boarding buses for indefinite stays at shelters in San Antonio and Austin.

Brian Smith, public information officer from the Urban Search and Rescue Division of the Texas Engineering Extension Service, said Monday that search and rescue missions continued across the affected area, although no air rescues had been needed since Sunday morning.

"Operations are ongoing," Smith said. "They will continue until we've heard from every local incident commander and been assured by them that search and rescue missions are no longer needed."

In hard-hit towns like Orange, Bridge City and Galveston, authorities searched door-to-door into the night, hoping to reach an untold number of people still in their homes, many without power or supplies.

A line of at least 30 cars formed early Monday at a strip mall in Orange, a Texas town on the Louisiana state line east of Beaumont, a day after food and water were distributed there by the National Guard. But the line dispersed after state troopers told the gathering that supplies would be passed out elsewhere.

Wanda Hamor, 49, of Orange, had been fifth in line with her 21-year-old son William. They were trapped in their house by floodwaters until Monday morning before they could venture out.

They had run out of food Sunday night. They left for Gustav and say they couldn't afford to leave for Ike or buy any more than $60 in food.

"He's diabetic and he has to eat four times a day," she said of her son.

Many of those who did make it to safety boarded buses without knowing where they were going or when they could return to what might remain of their homes.

Shelters across Texas scurried to find enough cots, and some evacuees arrived with little cash and no idea of what the coming days held.

Even for those who still have a home to go to, Ike's 110 mph winds and battering waves left thousands in coastal areas without electricity, gas and basic communications — and officials estimated it may not be restored for a month.

"We want our citizens to stay where they are," said a weary Galveston Mayor Lyda Ann Thomas. "Do not come back to Galveston. You cannot live here at this time."

Michael Geml has braved other storms in his bayfront neighborhood in Galveston, where he's lived for 25 years, though none quite like Ike. The 51-year-old stayed in the third-story Jacuzzi of a neighbor's house, directly on the bay, with family pets as waves crashed across the landscape.

"I'll never stay again," Geml said. "I don't care what the weatherman says — a Category 1, a Category 2. I thought I was going to die."

The hurricane also battered the heart of the U.S. oil industry as Ike destroyed at least 10 production platforms, officials said. Details about the size and production capacity of the destroyed platforms were not immediately available, but the damage was to only a fraction of the 3,800 platforms in the Gulf.

It was too soon to know how seriously it would affect oil and gas prices.

President Bush made plans to visit the area on Tuesday.

He said getting power restored is an extremely high priority and urged power companies to "please recruit out-of-state people to come and help you do this."

Ike was downgraded to a tropical depression as it moved north. Roads were closed in Kentucky because of high winds. As far north as Chicago, dozens of people in a suburb had to be evacuated by boat. Two million people were without power in Texas, Arkansas and Louisiana.

Of the 30 dead, five were in Galveston, including one body found in a vehicle submerged in floodwater at the airport. There were two other deaths in Texas and six in Louisiana, including a 16-year-old boy trapped in rising floodwaters. Several were farther inland.

Two golfers died when a tree fell on them in Tennessee. There were six deaths in Indiana; three died in Missouri. One person died in Arkansas and three in Ohio, including two motorcyclists killed when a tree toppled on them at a state park.

Ike killed more than 80 in the Caribbean before reaching the U.S.

Houston, the nation's fourth-largest city, was reduced to near-paralysis in some places. But power was on in downtown office towers Sunday afternoon, and Texas Medical Center, the world's largest medical complex, was unscathed and remained open. Both places have underground power lines.

Its two airports — including George Bush Intercontinental, one of the busiest in the United States — were set to reopen Monday with limited service. But schools were closed until further notice, and the business district was shuttered.

Five people were arrested at a pawn shop north of Houston and charged with burglary in what Harris County Sheriff's spokesman Capt. John Martin described as looting, but there was no widespread spike in crime.

Authorities said Sunday afternoon that 1,984 people had been rescued, including 394 by air. Besides people literally plucked to safety, that figure includes people met by crews as they waded through floodwaters trying to find dry ground.

Still others chose to remain in their homes along the Texas coast even after the danger of the storm had passed. There was no immediate count Sunday of how many people remained in their homes, or how many were in danger. The Red Cross reported 42,000 people were at state and Red Cross shelters Saturday night.

The storm also took a toll in Louisiana, where hundreds of homes were flooded and power outages worsened as the state struggles to recover from Hurricane Gustav, which struck over Labor Day.

Associated Press Writers Michael Kunzelman in Orange, Juan A. Lozano and Jon Gambrell in Galveston, Allen G. Breed in Sabine Pass, Doug Simpson in Baton Rouge, La., and Pauline Arrillaga and Chris Duncan in Houston contributed to this report.
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#13365 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:24 am

Galveston Deemed "Uninhabitable", Clean Up Begins in Texas after Hurricane Ike

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The destruction and devastation brought on by Hurricane Ike, which tore through Texas over the weekend, has only just begun to unfold. On Sunday, 4 millionpeople were without power, Houston was under a curfew and Galveston was deemed "uninhabitable".

Roughly 2,000 people who ignored evacuation orders had to be rescued by boat and helicopter from Galveston, a city of 57,000 that took a direct hit from Hurricane Ike. Galveston Mayor Lyda Ann Thomas warned residents, "Do not come back to Galveston. You cannot live here right now."

Galveston City Manager Steve LeBlanc echoed the mayor, saying: "Please wait until the mayor opens the doors. We want to make sure it's at least habitable. At this point, it is not".

Texas Governor Rick Perry said, "Hurricane Ike threw us a hard punch. There is substantial and long-term damage to ... Galveston Island."

Much of Galveston's historic structures, which survived the legendary storm of 1900 that wiped out the city, also survived Ike. However nearly every building sustained damage, and the entire city was flooded. Officials have said that it could be a month before power and sewage services return, as well as necessities like grocery stores and gas stations.

In the country's fourth largest city of Houston, there was no water or power and buildings were noticably damaged from the storm. Officials have ordered a weeklong curfew of 9pm to 6am, and police said that they've made about 30 looting arrests in a 24 hour period.

The very first estimates of the storm's damage, which are sketchy at best right now, range from $6 billion to $18 billion. Estimates of the storm's death toll are so far much less than feared. 15 deaths across several states have so far been attributed to the storm, but the cleanup and recovery efforts have only just begun.

On the upside of things, the storm spared oil refineries in the Gulf of Mexico. Crude prices dropped nearly $2 on Monday, reaching a six-month low of $99 a barrel, on reports that Ike had spared most oil installations in the Gulf. Gasoline prices jumped 6 cents, however, on warnings that the refineries might take a week to get back on track, creating gas shortages in the region.

President Bush said that he will travel to Texas on Tuesday "to express the federal government's support - sympathy on the one hand and support on the other - for this recovery effort."
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#13366 Postby suepeace » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:29 am

On the coast rescue crews continued to look for the estimated 20,000 residents who dismissed evacuation orders and tried to ride out the Category 2 hurricane's massive storm surge and 110-mph winds.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/09/1 ... index.html
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#13367 Postby southerngale » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:46 am

Something you don't always think about as the water starts to recede... this is from Orange, Texas - east of Beaumont. :(


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Dozens of caskets that surfaced from grave sites sit along a fence line at the Hollywood Community Cemetary, Sunday, Sept. 14, 2008, in Orange, Texas. Dozens of caskets floated to the surface due to the flood waters caused by Hurricane Ike.
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#13368 Postby pablolopez26 » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:09 am

Hey this is Pablo finally reporting in after the storm.

I live on the NW side of Houston and we also got hit pretty hard. Things got really bad at about 3-4am as Ike made landfall. Im not going to lie to you all, i was really scared.

The sound of trees falling around you and transformers blowing up left and right is quite harrowing.

I stayed up most of the night, and lost all power to my house at about 12:05am, a few hours before landfall.

3 days later im at my brothers apartment here in Sugarland, and luckily they have power and place where i can get wifi. Lucky me.

I took some awesome photos of whole trees that were snapped in half by lightning and winds, ill see if i can get them here in a little bit.

Hope all is well with us Houstonians, and we will prevail!
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#13369 Postby NativeFloridaGirl » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:14 am

southerngale wrote:Something you don't always think about as the water starts to recede... this is from Orange, Texas - east of Beaumont. :(


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Dozens of caskets that surfaced from grave sites sit along a fence line at the Hollywood Community Cemetary, Sunday, Sept. 14, 2008, in Orange, Texas. Dozens of caskets floated to the surface due to the flood waters caused by Hurricane Ike.
Tony Gutierrez / Associated Press


Oh that is just horrifying isn't it? I had never thought about that happening before until recently.

Have you heard anything about your home yet Southerngale?

~Beth~
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#13370 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:37 am

Pablo, nice to hear from you again.
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#13371 Postby pablolopez26 » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:42 am

Thanks, its good to be back... Hopefully power will be restored to my apartment complex soon and i can get back on my feet again.

Until then ill be on and off here.

I never knew hurricanes could be such horrible experiences.
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#13372 Postby lantanatx » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:44 am

NOAA Sat . Imagery - Post Storm
http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/ike
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#13373 Postby rtd2 » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:44 am

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:This is America, the land of the free. The Federal government HAS no power what so ever to go into a state, County, city with Millitary with out first getting the ok from one of them. That is just the way it set up; that is to respect the rights of the state and its government. The federal government was never made to rule like you went it to.

Also you do NOT went to give the federal or any part of the government the power to take away from you or shoot you. That can go very very bad very fast. If you went to risk your life inside your private home, then so be it. This is America and you are free to do so, at least should be. I maybe wrong, but I think forcing people out of their homes is illigal in this country, just like taking away someones gun.

Anyways that is how I feel. Also what founding father gave the green light to take someones children away from them????

YOU have a right to eat transfat, smoke, own a gun, spit on the sidewalk, and cuss. Do you agree Derek?

As for Ike, yes he was very bad and I do expect grim news to come out...We will see.



Matt...I couldnt have said it better myself.
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#13374 Postby HurricaneRobert » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:47 am

The southwest side of the Houston area seems to have taken the least amount of damage. Not surprising since tall pines begin to grow north of I-10, while the SW region is naturally a prairie.
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#13375 Postby Dave » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:52 am

Power & phone lines came back into operation here in Milan at 11:55 am today. Peak wind gust held at 82 mph after that I have no idea because the tower that held all my radio antenna's and weather instruments is currenly laying flat across my backyard. Roof is intact, but missing shingles. Also lost 4 of our 6 trees in our yard and we faired good compared to the rest of our county.

So far, all towns in Ripley county now have power however 65% of county residents are still without power & phone. Last estimate was 5 to 7 days to get the county back to 100%.

Injury count as 10 pm last night was 55, no fatalities,but that information is still coming into the EOC.

All in all looks like a bomb went off in our town alone. Everyone in my family are fine, tired, hungry, and thankful we now have power again. More numbers when everything is tallied up. I'm going to get some sleep...
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#13376 Postby caribepr » Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:03 pm

So glad to hear from so many s2k'ers - despite the hard news, as the overall picture of Ike's destruction is very depressing and seemingly overwhelming at this point in time...from Haiti, T & C, Bahmian islands to the many states in the US that Ike rode over destructively as well. My heart thoughts and donations are with you.
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#13377 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:05 pm

Matt, I don't want to turn this into something political, but Washington has the right to do whatever they want to do once it's ratified by Congress and the Supreme Court says its Constitutional. When the government said that a "mandatory evacuation" was in effect, everyone, every single person should have left Galveston and the surrounding areas. If that had happened, now the areas affected by the hurricane would have already started the clean up and not the search and rescue. Your rights end where mine start. No one has the right of disobeying the law and then put the life the rescue workers in the line when they have to go under bad weather conditions to save your life.
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#13378 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:08 pm

Wow ai9d, good that you're ok. People usually don't think it's going to be that bad that far inland but you experienced conditions as bad as many experienced during landfall. Impressive.
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#13379 Postby O Town » Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:23 pm

lantanatx wrote:NOAA Sat . Imagery - Post Storm
http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/ike

Great link, thx.
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#13380 Postby HurricaneRobert » Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:26 pm

HURAKAN wrote:Matt, I don't want to turn this into something political, but Washington has the right to do whatever they want to do once it's ratified by Congress and the Supreme Court says its Constitutional. When the government said that a "mandatory evacuation" was in effect, everyone, every single person should have left Galveston and the surrounding areas. If that had happened, now the areas affected by the hurricane would have already started the clean up and not the search and rescue. Your rights end where mine start. No one has the right of disobeying the law and then put the life the rescue workers in the line when they have to go under bad weather conditions to save your life.


They said over and over again that rescue workers cannot get on the road unless winds are less than 45 mph. I don't know what conditions are are considered unsafe for boats. They started getting 911 calls all night once these selfish people changed their minds. These rescue workers could've been helping other people instead.
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