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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2001 Postby ncweatherwizard » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:06 pm

Last night's microwave didn't show a full eye-like feature, but that banding has been there around the center for at least 24 hours. It's also still a bit elongated north to south. Definitely not hurricane yet, but with QuikSCAT this morning at 45-50kts, you could probably go for 55kts. IR just isn't showing anything other than some improved outflow and a small CDO. Hopefully, tonight's QuikSCAT will hit it.

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#2002 Postby MiamiensisWx » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:08 pm

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Note that the feature was evident on the last visibles as well. My verdict is 55 kt based on all raw/empirical data and discernible evidence.
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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2003 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:16 pm

UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 7.2.3
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 06 JUL 2008 Time : 221500 UTC
Lat : 18:12:36 N Lon : 47:20:35 W

CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
3.4 / 997.0mb/ 53.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
(3hr avg)
3.4 3.6 3.6

Latitude bias adjustment to MSLP : +1.8mb

Center Temp : -69.2C Cloud Region Temp : -59.1C

Scene Type : UNIFORM CDO CLOUD REGION

Positioning Method : FORECAST INTERPOLATION

Ocean Basin : ATLANTIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : ATLANTIC

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : NO LIMIT
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF
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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2004 Postby Hurricanewatcher2007 » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:19 pm

CIMSS/NESDIS-USAF/NRL AMSU TC Intensity Estimation:
TROPICAL STORM BERTHA
Sunday 06jul08 Time: 1957 UTC
Latitude: 18.56 Longitude: -46.73
Storm position corresponds to AMSU-A FOV 20 [1<--->30]
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| Estimated MSLP: 989 hPa
| Estimated Maximum Sustained Wind: 69 kts
| Estimate Confidence: Good ( +/- 5mb +/- 7 kts )
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Channel 8 (~150 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.32
Channel 7 (~250 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.74
RMW: 56 km
RMW Source is: TPC
Environmental Pressure: 1012 (TPC)
Satellite: NOAA-16
ATCF data for Month: 07 Day: 06 Time (UTC): 1800

For imagery, go to http://amsu.ssec.wisc.edu/atl42.html
For all comments and questions mailto:chrisv@ssec.wisc.edu
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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2005 Postby MiamiensisWx » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:20 pm

Hurricanewatcher2007 wrote:CIMSS/NESDIS-USAF/NRL AMSU TC Intensity Estimation:
TROPICAL STORM BERTHA
Sunday 06jul08 Time: 1957 UTC
Latitude: 18.56 Longitude: -46.73
Storm position corresponds to AMSU-A FOV 20 [1<--->30]
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| Estimated MSLP: 989 hPa
| Estimated Maximum Sustained Wind: 69 kts
| Estimate Confidence: Good ( +/- 5mb +/- 7 kts )
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Channel 8 (~150 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.32
Channel 7 (~250 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.74
RMW: 56 km
RMW Source is: TPC
Environmental Pressure: 1012 (TPC)
Satellite: NOAA-16
ATCF data for Month: 07 Day: 06 Time (UTC): 1800

For imagery, go to http://amsu.ssec.wisc.edu/atl42.html
For all comments and questions mailto:chrisv@ssec.wisc.edu

Can you post a link to this data? Thanks!
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#2006 Postby Weatherfreak000 » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:22 pm

So 55KT at the next advisory. Everything is on par for it to be officially a hurricane tomorrow morning.
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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2007 Postby Brent » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:22 pm

Looking really nice this afternoon. I'm expecting a hurricane by tomorrow.
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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2008 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:23 pm

Hurricanewatcher2007 wrote:CIMSS/NESDIS-USAF/NRL AMSU TC Intensity Estimation:
TROPICAL STORM BERTHA
Sunday 06jul08 Time: 1957 UTC
Latitude: 18.56 Longitude: -46.73
Storm position corresponds to AMSU-A FOV 20 [1<--->30]
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| Estimated MSLP: 989 hPa
| Estimated Maximum Sustained Wind: 69 kts
| Estimate Confidence: Good ( +/- 5mb +/- 7 kts )
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Channel 8 (~150 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.32
Channel 7 (~250 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.74
RMW: 56 km
RMW Source is: TPC
Environmental Pressure: 1012 (TPC)
Satellite: NOAA-16
ATCF data for Month: 07 Day: 06 Time (UTC): 1800

For imagery, go to http://amsu.ssec.wisc.edu/atl42.html
For all comments and questions mailto:chrisv@ssec.wisc.edu


now that sounds more like it.. link.
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#2009 Postby KWT » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:25 pm

Yeah that data does sound interesting, much higher then the other sat.estimates though even these are getting there slowly bit by bit, now not far from being high enough to support 55kts.

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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2010 Postby Hurricanewatcher2007 » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:25 pm

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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2011 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:32 pm

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#2012 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:34 pm

the ADT history for bertha.. notice the last 3
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic2/real ... 000&loop=0
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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2013 Postby senorpepr » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:38 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
Hurricanewatcher2007 wrote:CIMSS/NESDIS-USAF/NRL AMSU TC Intensity Estimation:
TROPICAL STORM BERTHA
Sunday 06jul08 Time: 1957 UTC
Latitude: 18.56 Longitude: -46.73
Storm position corresponds to AMSU-A FOV 20 [1<--->30]
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| Estimated MSLP: 989 hPa
| Estimated Maximum Sustained Wind: 69 kts
| Estimate Confidence: Good ( +/- 5mb +/- 7 kts )
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Channel 8 (~150 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.32
Channel 7 (~250 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.74
RMW: 56 km
RMW Source is: TPC
Environmental Pressure: 1012 (TPC)
Satellite: NOAA-16
ATCF data for Month: 07 Day: 06 Time (UTC): 1800

For imagery, go to http://amsu.ssec.wisc.edu/atl42.html
For all comments and questions mailto:chrisv@ssec.wisc.edu


now that sounds more like it.. link.


But consider this:

That had a 20Z estimate of 69KT, but NHC (and all other reasonable evidence) had ~50KT at 21Z.

So, in my opinion, I throw this:
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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2014 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:39 pm

senorpepr wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:
Hurricanewatcher2007 wrote:CIMSS/NESDIS-USAF/NRL AMSU TC Intensity Estimation:
TROPICAL STORM BERTHA
Sunday 06jul08 Time: 1957 UTC
Latitude: 18.56 Longitude: -46.73
Storm position corresponds to AMSU-A FOV 20 [1<--->30]
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| Estimated MSLP: 989 hPa
| Estimated Maximum Sustained Wind: 69 kts
| Estimate Confidence: Good ( +/- 5mb +/- 7 kts )
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Channel 8 (~150 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.32
Channel 7 (~250 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.74
RMW: 56 km
RMW Source is: TPC
Environmental Pressure: 1012 (TPC)
Satellite: NOAA-16
ATCF data for Month: 07 Day: 06 Time (UTC): 1800

For imagery, go to http://amsu.ssec.wisc.edu/atl42.html
For all comments and questions mailto:chrisv@ssec.wisc.edu


now that sounds more like it.. link.


But consider this:

That had a 20Z estimate of 69KT, but NHC (and all other reasonable evidence) had ~50KT at 21Z.

So, in my opinion, I throw this:
Image

well at least your funny..
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#2015 Postby KWT » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:42 pm

Its still interesting though and without recon who knows what the true strength of this system actually is, we've seen before systems estimated at mid range tropical storms that turn out to be hurricanes. I'm NOT saying thats the case here by any means but without recon we can't totally say everything is BS, even though I admit that does look a little suspect on the high side to say the least!
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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2016 Postby jlauderdal » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:44 pm

senorpepr wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:
Hurricanewatcher2007 wrote:CIMSS/NESDIS-USAF/NRL AMSU TC Intensity Estimation:
TROPICAL STORM BERTHA
Sunday 06jul08 Time: 1957 UTC
Latitude: 18.56 Longitude: -46.73
Storm position corresponds to AMSU-A FOV 20 [1<--->30]
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| Estimated MSLP: 989 hPa
| Estimated Maximum Sustained Wind: 69 kts
| Estimate Confidence: Good ( +/- 5mb +/- 7 kts )
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Channel 8 (~150 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.32
Channel 7 (~250 hPa) Tb Anomaly: 1.74
RMW: 56 km
RMW Source is: TPC
Environmental Pressure: 1012 (TPC)
Satellite: NOAA-16
ATCF data for Month: 07 Day: 06 Time (UTC): 1800

For imagery, go to http://amsu.ssec.wisc.edu/atl42.html
For all comments and questions mailto:chrisv@ssec.wisc.edu


now that sounds more like it.. link.


But consider this:

That had a 20Z estimate of 69KT, but NHC (and all other reasonable evidence) had ~50KT at 21Z.

So, in my opinion, I throw this:
Image


that bs flag will come in very handy the next few months
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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2017 Postby Hurricanewatcher2007 » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:45 pm

Latest IR image looks really good IMO

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#2018 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:48 pm

we are few hours away from the next advisory and 70mph or 75 is probable. .as the trend has continued.
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#2019 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:48 pm

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Re: Tropical Storm Bertha in Central Atlantic

#2020 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:49 pm

come on dont sit ther and tell me that is not a minamal hurricane..

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