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#6061 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:35 am

"RECENT ENHANCED IR IMAGERY SHOWS AN INCREASE IN
CONVECTION NEAR/OVER THE CENTER WHICH SUGGESTS THAT FURTHER
STRENGTHENING IS IMMINENT."

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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#6062 Postby Hurricanewatcher2007 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:39 am

The last 2 center fixes clearly show that she is in fact moving around 7mph not 15 like they said and she is moving on heading more west northwest not west atleast between center fixes thats the direction she was traveling which you can clearly see on the picture I posted above
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#6063 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:51 am

If that cdo is the cdo this is going to have, then this will be a very small hurricane. Iris 2001, Charley 2004, Andrew 92 in size. That is if it ever gets going, in which might be very hard.
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#6064 Postby Smurfwicked » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:52 am

Hurricanewatcher2007 wrote:The last 2 center fixes clearly show that she is in fact moving around 7mph not 15 like they said and she is moving on heading more west northwest not west atleast between center fixes thats the direction she was traveling which you can clearly see on the picture I posted above


If thats true and my math calculations are correct based of the distance from Brownsville that should give her about 25 more hours on water compared to her old speed of 17mph.
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#6065 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:53 am

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:If that cdo is the cdo this is going to have, then this will be a very small hurricane. Iris 2001, Charley 2004, Andrew 92 in size. That is if it ever gets going, in which might be very hard.


it will expand a for sure ..
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#6066 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:55 am

the center is going to be coming into radar range within the next few hours .. you can already see the outer bands
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#6067 Postby ROCK » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:56 am

Ugh, baby woke me up so I decided to check in....slowed down....looks better......going back to bed.... :D
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#6068 Postby americanrebel » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:57 am

60 mph NOW, won't be long until she is Hurricane Dolly, and as big as she is, she could do a lot of damage.
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#6069 Postby KWT » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:04 am

Thre lower pressure is a little on the southern side of the developing CDO but thats hardly going to be enough to prevent any strengthening from occuring, its only slightly on the southern side. I remember Fausto developing into a 80kt hurricane with a center way more displaced then what Dolly's is right now. Lets wait and see with what happens today.

The simple facts are in the last few hours its slowed right down and we've seen explosive convection finally developing pretty close to the center and on the eastern side. I think we are about to see some much faster development of Dolly.
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#6070 Postby Cat5x » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:06 am

looks almost like a stall to me as well. The next update will still show a speed of 8 - 12 mph because I think they average that out over several previous hours not just the last 2 hours, so you wont see the slow down till the next advisory after this one that is if it still moving slow by then.

EDIT: just noticed the 4am update, says 14mph so obviously the "Current" speed it averaged out over the last several hours. Do they just take last update's cordinates and this update's cordinates and do the math for distance divided by hours? Hardly a current speed, more like previous speed.
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#6071 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:07 am

UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 7.2.3
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 22 JUL 2008 Time : 084500 UTC
Lat : 23:17:18 N Lon : 93:45:34 W

CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
3.5 / 994.0mb/ 55.0kt

Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
(3hr avg)
3.5 3.6 3.6

Latitude bias adjustment to MSLP : +0.0mb

Center Temp : -67.1C Cloud Region Temp : -63.1C

Scene Type : UNIFORM CDO CLOUD REGION

Positioning Method : FORECAST INTERPOLATION

Ocean Basin : ATLANTIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : ATLANTIC

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : NO LIMIT
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF

****************************************************
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#6072 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:09 am

I'm watching the low level clouds, that kind of seems to be moving west-northwest around 285-290 degree's now. I would say about 8 mph?
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#6073 Postby senorpepr » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:10 am

Some new Bay of Campeche charts...
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#6074 Postby ROCK » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:13 am

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:I'm watching the low level clouds, that kind of seems to be moving west-northwest around 285-290 degree's now. I would say about 8 mph?



really slow...becoming elongated for some reason....is this the turn sooner than expected? few more hours to verify...

BTW- cant go back to sleep now.... :lol:
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#6075 Postby KWT » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:13 am

Yeah I'd say something like that Matt, either way this gives Dolly more time to get its act on I reckon. Still without Vis.imagery its hard to tell what is going on. T-numbers now support 55kts as well, interesting!
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#6076 Postby JtSmarts » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:15 am

It will be very interesting to see how much of an effect the weakness in the ridge has on Dolly's motion throughout the day. Right now the NHC's track, just to the south of Brownsville still seems like the best bet.
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#6077 Postby Hurricanewatcher2007 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:17 am

Ok next recon flight has left. Its a noaa flight not air force.
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#6078 Postby americanrebel » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:20 am

Definetely looks like the weakness is there and if she blows up like a lot of us expect, she will probably go straight through it. That means it will be much further North than Brownsville.

This is my unofficial prediction, there is really no scientific evidence behind it though.
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#6079 Postby KWT » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:27 am

I think this is starting to get a more and more classic look now, nice feeder band on the NE side, some really deep convection now with that developing CDO and the odd overshoot, I think today is the day we see hurricane Dolly.
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Southern Gulf of Mexico

#6080 Postby Smurfwicked » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:28 am

I'm still concerned about seeing shift much more northward at any time. Not saying it'll happen nor do I have any evidence to support this.

On another note, if she does continue on the same path towards Brownsville area and maintains speed of 7mph I've figured she would make landfall around 10pm Central Wednesday night. Once again that is if my calculations are right.
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