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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#6601 Postby MiamiensisWx » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:09 pm

fasterdisaster wrote:tolakram, even with the shear it'd be difficult to say the conditions will be 'unfavorable'. Really they will only inhibit any rapid strengthening.

The NHC explicitly disagrees.

IKE MAINTAINED A FAIRLY WELL ORGANIZED CORE STRUCTURE DURING ITS
PASSAGE OVER WESTERN CUBA...ALTHOUGH CLOUD TOP TEMPERATURES HAVE
WARMED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE CENTER DURING THE LAST HOUR OR TWO. A
RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT IS JUST BEGINNING ITS PATTERN TO DETERMINE
THE INTENSITY OF IKE...AND THEY HAVE ALREADY DETERMINED THAT THE
MINIMUM PRESSURE REMAINS LOW...968 MB. IN THE MEANTIME...THE
ADVISORY INTENSITY IS ESTIMATED TO BE 65 KT. REPORTS FROM THE
PLANE JUST IN SUGGEST THAT THE RADIUS OF MAXIMUM WIND IS 60 NM OR
LARGER. IT APPEARS THAT THE CORE IS INTACT ENOUGH TO TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF SOME VERY FAVORABLE CONDITIONS IN THE GULF OF
MEXICO...INCLUDING SOME VERY DIFLUENT UPPER-LEVEL WINDS OVER THE
NEXT 36 HOURS. IN ADDITION...THE FORECAST TRACK FOR IKE TAKES IT
NEAR OR OVER THREE WARM EDDIES...REGIONS OF ENHANCED OCEANIC HEAT
CONTENT. THE GFDL AND HWRF CONTINUE TO FORECAST IKE TO REACH
CATEGORY FOUR STRENGTH IN THE CENTRAL AND WESTERN GULF...WHILE THE
SHIPS AND LGEM FAIL TO MAKE IKE A MAJOR HURRICANE. THE GFS AND
UKMET STILL SHOW AN UPPER-AIR PATTERN THAT LOOKS SLIGHTLY LESS
FAVORABLE IN THE WESTERN GULF...SO I HAVE LEVELLED OFF THE
INTENSITY FORECAST AFTER 48 HOURS.
HOWEVER...IKE IS A LARGE
TROPICAL CYCLONE AND MAY BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN ITS FAVORABLE OUTFLOW
ACROSS THE GULF.

INITIAL 09/2100Z 22.9N 83.8W 65 KT
12HR VT 10/0600Z 23.5N 85.1W 70 KT
24HR VT 10/1800Z 24.3N 86.6W 90 KT
36HR VT 11/0600Z 24.9N 88.4W 100 KT
48HR VT 11/1800Z 25.3N 90.6W 105 KT
72HR VT 12/1800Z 26.5N 95.0W 100 KT
96HR VT 13/1800Z 29.5N 98.0W 60 KT...INLAND
120HR VT 14/1800Z 33.6N 98.0W 30 KT...INLAND

$$
FORECASTER FRANKLIN

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT4+shtml/092051.shtml

The intensity forecast indicates a weakening trend prior to landfall.
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#6602 Postby HouTXmetro » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:10 pm

I'm still seeing the 2pm track even when I refresh. :?:
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#6603 Postby HURAKAN » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:11 pm

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Big Ike!
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#6604 Postby Stormcenter » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:11 pm

HouTXmetro wrote:
jinftl wrote:NHC says in discussion

THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS ADJUSTED NORTHWARD ON DAYS FOUR AND FIVE...BUT
ALL OF THE BETTER DYNAMICAL MODELS ARE EVEN FARTHER TO THE RIGHT.

Due to the angle of the coast and what impact a sooner or sharper turn north can have....i would say this could very well become a LA storm/Upper TX.


Sounds like they are giving themselves room to shift the track even further Right and North in the upcoming advisories.


I believe they are referring to days 4 and 5 when Ike is already inland.
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#6605 Postby rtd2 » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:11 pm

HURAKAN wrote:
artist wrote:
HURAKAN wrote:2.41 inches of rain in my house!! :eek:


in your house or at your house?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That always happens when English is your second language!!!

By the way, 2.23 inches fell in an hour and 30 minutes.





press 1 for spanish and 2 for english :D
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#6606 Postby KWT » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:12 pm

tolakram wrote:
The shear near the coast is forecast to be high, though you know how inaccurate shear forecasts are, so best case scenario might be a sharp right turn and a day or so of unfavorable conditions before hitting the coast.


Well not high enough to suggest that Ike will be weakening all that much and as you mention the shear gets higher closer to the coast which may allow Ike to weaken a little before it makes landfall but too early to know...
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#6607 Postby Stormcenter » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:13 pm

MiamiensisWx wrote:
fasterdisaster wrote:tolakram, even with the shear it'd be difficult to say the conditions will be 'unfavorable'. Really they will only inhibit any rapid strengthening.

The NHC explicitly disagrees.



http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT4+shtml/092051.shtml

The intensity forecast indicates a weakening trend prior to landfall.


Yes it sounds like they are not buying into the Cat. 4 or 5 talk from the GFDL and HRWF models.
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#6608 Postby terrapintransit » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:15 pm

I'm amazed at how much larger of a storm IKE has become since it's days out in the central Atlantic. I could only imagine what it might look like if it grows into a cat 4/5 :crazyeyes:
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#6609 Postby jinftl » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:15 pm

Certainly no reason why the track up to day 4 would have to remain static if the enviroment is changing such that a north or ne path is emerging at day 4. Timing issue too...what if turn is 100 miles sooner or storm slows by just a few mph.....probably why western LA back in cone.

Stormcenter wrote:
jinftl wrote:NHC says in discussion

THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS ADJUSTED NORTHWARD ON DAYS FOUR AND FIVE...BUT
ALL OF THE BETTER DYNAMICAL MODELS ARE EVEN FARTHER TO THE RIGHT.

Due to the angle of the coast and what impact a sooner or sharper turn north can have....i would say this could very well become a LA storm/Upper TX.


I believe they mean well after Ike has made landfall.
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#6610 Postby N2Storms » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:16 pm

[quote="HouTXmetro"]I'm still seeing the 2pm track even when I refresh. :?:[/quote]


Question for you Houstonians...if you guys stay on the East side of Ike and take a significant storm surge...would downtown Houston look like New Orleans post Katrina or is Houston much more above sea leve?

Gee, I never really thought I'd see another Katrina type disaster play out in my lifetime and I pray that it doesn't but looking at everything right now, the way it is setting up, it really looks like a potential disaster in the making. I certainly apologize if I come off as sounding too "doomsdayish" but I truly am concerned for you folks up that way.
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#6611 Postby KWT » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:17 pm

Still too early to put too much faith into the current forecast estimates in terms of strength however stormcenter but historically its more normal for a system to be weakening then strengthening upon landfall, I wouldn't be that surprised if Ike is a good bit higher then the NHC estimate by the time this system reaches around 90W, there is a really impressive warm eddy there that has bombed systems in the past, one memorable one being Rita...
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#6612 Postby gboudx » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:18 pm

N2Storms wrote:
HouTXmetro wrote:I'm still seeing the 2pm track even when I refresh. :?:



Question for you Houstonians...if you guys stay on the East side of Ike and take a significant storm surge...would downtown Houston look like New Orleans post Katrina or is Houston much more above sea leve?

Gee, I never really thought I'd see another Katrina type disaster play out in my lifetime and I pray that it doesn't but looking at everything right now, the way it is setting up, it really looks like a potential disaster in the making. I certainly apologize if I come off as sounding too "doomsdayish" but I truly am concerned for you folks up that way.


I highly doubt you'd see a Katrina-type disaster. Houston is not in a bowl like New Orleans is. And probably too far away from any surge.
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#6613 Postby Mattie » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:19 pm

Stormcenter wrote:
HouTXmetro wrote:
jinftl wrote:NHC says in discussion

THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS ADJUSTED NORTHWARD ON DAYS FOUR AND FIVE...BUT
ALL OF THE BETTER DYNAMICAL MODELS ARE EVEN FARTHER TO THE RIGHT.

Due to the angle of the coast and what impact a sooner or sharper turn north can have....i would say this could very well become a LA storm/Upper TX.


Sounds like they are giving themselves room to shift the track even further Right and North in the upcoming advisories.


I believe they are referring to days 4 and 5 when Ike is already inland.


Are you sure?

INITIAL 09/2100Z 22.9N 83.8W 65 KT
12HR VT 10/0600Z 23.5N 85.1W 70 KT
24HR VT 10/1800Z 24.3N 86.6W 90 KT
36HR VT 11/0600Z 24.9N 88.4W 100 KT
48HR VT 11/1800Z 25.3N 90.6W 105 KT
72HR VT 12/1800Z 26.5N 95.0W 100 KT
96HR VT 13/1800Z 29.5N 98.0W 60 KT...INLAND
120HR VT 14/1800Z 33.6N 98.0W 30 KT...INLAND

I was thinking day 4 from NOW. . . . so it would mean landfall. Please straighten me out! ;-)
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#6614 Postby Nederlander » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:19 pm

no... NOLA is BELOW sea level... wouldnt be nearly as catastrophic...
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#6615 Postby fasterdisaster » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:19 pm

Would Ike be stronger if he made landfall farther north or south.
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#6616 Postby terrapintransit » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:20 pm

fasterdisaster wrote:Would Ike be stronger if he made landfall farther north or south.


The way I understand it...North
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#6617 Postby HouTXmetro » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:21 pm

Although slightly, the Track has Shifted North two advisories in a row. Let's see if the Rita like trend continues. I'll be anxiously awaiting the next run of models.
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#6618 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:21 pm

N2Storms wrote:
HouTXmetro wrote:I'm still seeing the 2pm track even when I refresh. :?:



Question for you Houstonians...if you guys stay on the East side of Ike and take a significant storm surge...would downtown Houston look like New Orleans post Katrina or is Houston much more above sea leve?

Gee, I never really thought I'd see another Katrina type disaster play out in my lifetime and I pray that it doesn't but looking at everything right now, the way it is setting up, it really looks like a potential disaster in the making. I certainly apologize if I come off as sounding too "doomsdayish" but I truly am concerned for you folks up that way.



Pasadena would be in trouble.

Now, Buffalo Bayou flooded downtown Houston during Allison, but that was fresh water flooding. Of course, a lot of rain, plus the fact that Buffalo Bayou doesn't have a lot of gradient to Galveston Bay and might back up just a little in a worst case storm surge, and not allow fresh water to drain well, that could be an issue.

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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#6619 Postby rtd2 » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:22 pm

terrapintransit wrote:I'm amazed at how much larger of a storm IKE has become since it's days out in the central Atlantic. I could only imagine what it might look like if it grows into a cat 4/5 :crazyeyes:
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BE SCARIER IF IT WAS THAT BIG AND STACKED!
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#6620 Postby tolakram » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:23 pm

Convection starting to re-fire already.

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