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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7441 Postby CourierPR » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:00 am

A few minutes ago, local NBC 6 Met. John Gerard spoke about the possibility of Fay heading northeast. As I look at radar and satellite, I see her moving N or NNW.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7442 Postby jaxfladude » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:01 am

THE GFS MODEL(as of this posting' time) IS JUST CRAZY TO SAY THE LEAST.....

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... 14_m.shtml
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#7443 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:01 am

Evil Jeremy wrote:
southerngale wrote:OT but I think it's pretty neat that we tied the record earlier tonight (about 8:30pm cdt). Just ONE more person and we would have broken it. And Fay is only a TS.


We tied the record that was set one year to the day lol.
Wow. That is pretty weird. Last year at this time we were watching Dean, and I still remember how crazy that got.
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#7444 Postby Clipper96 » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:03 am

The Cuban radars are very delayed. Everybody should switch to the Key West one now.

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid= ... Z&loop=yes

Check and uncheck the radar "box", and you can see the right side of the eyewall going right over Pico San Juan. Before impact, it looked like a closed circle; now it's a semi-circle.

If the circle reforms later tonight while the center is still over land, but over flat terrain, that would imply Fay will deepen very quickly once she reaches the coast.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7445 Postby NEXRAD » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:04 am

New convection is quickly firing north of Fay's core convective cluster along a large feeder-band that's forming. This activity will likely intensify further during the next hour. Long range radar imagery out of Miami is already showing this as an impressive band. It may approach portions of the Florida Keys during the pre-dawn hours.

- Jay
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#7446 Postby funster » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:05 am

Clipper96 wrote:
The Cuban radars are very delayed. Everybody should switch to the Key West one now.

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid= ... Z&loop=yes

Check and uncheck the radar "box", and you can see the right side of the eyewall going right over Pico San Juan. Before impact, it looked like a closed circle; now it's a semi-circle.

If the circle reforms later tonight while the center is still over land, but over flat terrain, that would imply Fay will deepen very quickly once she reaches the coast.


That's probably not Fay's center. The center is probably well southwest of there still in the water.
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#7447 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:07 am

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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7448 Postby cpdaman » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:09 am

funster me thinks .........no but since we don't know for sure i just respectfully and strongly disagree

nhc mentioned a very erratic track last time they spoke combined with low confidene in track , me thinks it is onland right about now

cool pic hurrakan
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7449 Postby AdamFirst » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:09 am

Something tells me I'm not going to sleep too good over the next couple days :wink:
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7450 Postby cpdaman » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:11 am

so long as this doesn't decide to stall over 90 degree waters i will be happy as a clam, if it does then it maybe uh-oh time

based on its forward speed when do you guys think she will emerge on north side of cuba.

i think between 7-8 am.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7451 Postby AdamFirst » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:12 am

cpdaman wrote:so long as this doesn't decide to stall over 90 degree waters i will be happy as a clam, if it does then it maybe uh-oh time

based on its forward speed it should be over water by 8 am or so, and the downpours should be very close to miami IMO


Key West short-range radar has very strong squalls heading through the straits.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7452 Postby NEXRAD » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:13 am

cpdaman wrote:so long as this doesn't decide to stall over 90 degree waters i will be happy as a clam, if it does then it maybe uh-oh time

based on its forward speed it should be over water by 8 am or so, and the downpours should be very close to miami IMO


This is a reasonable time-estimate for the arrival of the outer-most feederband that's presently quite impressive. Of course, the activity could diminish overnight, so we'll need to wait and see.

- Jay
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7453 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:14 am

Based on the shapeness of that trough this is not going past 82.5 west. That is something that will not happen, and if it does then I'm wrong and will eat crow for the next two seasons over it. It will make landfall east of there.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7454 Postby CourierPR » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:16 am

AdamFirst wrote:
cpdaman wrote:so long as this doesn't decide to stall over 90 degree waters i will be happy as a clam, if it does then it maybe uh-oh time

based on its forward speed it should be over water by 8 am or so, and the downpours should be very close to miami IMO


Key West short-range radar has very strong squalls heading through the straits.

If this heads north and deepens rapidly, many will be caught unaware. Another Irene scenario?
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7455 Postby SouthFLTropics » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:17 am

:sleeping:

Bedtime everyone...5:00AM is going to come real early...I gotta step away for a while and get some rest. I think I might need it tomorrow. :double:

SFT
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7456 Postby cpdaman » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:17 am

does the radar beam give the impression the spin (maybe LLC/maybe not) is further NE than in reality, or is deflected in another direction (N) or SE or possibly nothing at all. wondering what the case is when viewing south-central cuba coast from the long range key west radar
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7457 Postby orion » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:18 am

For those interested, I now have Key West radar at http://orionweather.net/index.php?content=radar.html

I have a satellite underlay, but you will see there are a few missing 'tiles'.
I also included the NHC forecast track.
Unfortunately, the map doesn't show the outline of Cuba.

(the weird zooming will disappear shortly, I was playing with it and forgot to turn the ftp upload off)
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#7458 Postby Clipper96 » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:20 am

funster wrote:
Clipper96 wrote:
The Cuban radars are very delayed. Everybody should switch to the Key West one now.
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid= ... Z&loop=yes
Check and uncheck the radar "box", and you can see the right side of the eyewall going right over Pico San Juan. Before impact, it looked like a closed circle; now it's a semi-circle. If the circle reforms later tonight while the center is still over land, but over flat terrain, that would imply Fay will deepen very quickly once she reaches the coast.
That's probably not Fay's center. The center is probably well southwest of there still in the water.
What are you basing this assumption on? The Key West-derived signature is rotating quite strongly, and in fact looks so good (considering the extreme range) that it causes me to wonder if Fay might have been a minimal hurricane at landfall.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay South of Cuba

#7459 Postby cpdaman » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:20 am

orion wrote:For those interested, I now have Key West radar at http://orionweather.net/index.php?content=radar.html

I have a satellite underlay, but you will see there are a few missing 'tiles'.
I also included the NHC forecast track.
Unfortunately, the map doesn't show the outline of Cuba.



anyone who looks at that overlay and doesn't think fay is right of forecast points needs to see a doctor immediatley or go to sleep.

also note her current motion would have less relative shear, pretty favorable conditions (cept for land) she is moving NNW with some NW wobbles IMO
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#7460 Postby Scorpion » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:21 am

I agree.. this looks to pull right up into the spine of Florida.
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