ATL: Tropical Depression Dolly

[Cyclone1]

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/dolly_imagery.shtml

NOAA's Environmental Visualization Program is offering high resolution satellite imagery of Hurricane Dolly. Below is a high-defintion animation is available to download (right click and save link to your computer.)

You may need to download the free Quicktime player to view the file.

High resolution Hurricane Dolly animation (3MB – .mp4 format)

Someone should put this on YouTube. Who knows how long it'll remain online, ya know?

[Derek Ortt]

I know some here post on Wikipedia... so I am going to take those of you who do to task regarding the Dolly article

1. Dolly is not the most destructive Texas hurricane since Alica. THERE WAS A SMALL STORM THAT GOES BY THE NAME OF RITA IN 2005

2. Dolly's landfall as a category 2. The working BT has category 1 at 80KT. This is not category 2

3. At 1:00 pm CDT (1800 UTC) that same day, Dolly made landfall on South Padre Island, Texas, as a Category 2 hurricane check the working BT that Chacor posted. 80KT again is cat 1

4. The Yucatan is not a part of Guatemala. Why is the Yucatan damage under the Guatemala section?

5. The damage figures are estimated. My opinion is they will come down a lot, as happened with Ophelia and Humberto

In all, the wiki article on Dolly was one of the poorer ones I have read. Usually, those who manage wiki and write there have TC articles of a much higher quality

[Ed Mahmoud]

JB's rant today said official wind for Dolly, at 964 mb, was the lowest wind for that pressure ever in Gulf of Mexico, and no matter what anyone says, he is convinced that it made landfall between 100 and 105 mph, and somehow nobody measured the peak wind.


I don't know if he is correct or not.

[Derek Ortt]

he has his agenda... and science is not it

and he is also dead flat wrong as usual. Hurricane Lili made landfall with a pressure of 964mb and a peak wind of 80KT. The GOM tends to have a different pressure to wind ratio than the rest of the basin for some reason

[RL3AO]

I know some here post on Wikipedia... so I am going to take those of you who do to task regarding the Dolly article

1. Dolly is not the most destructive Texas hurricane since Alica. THERE WAS A SMALL STORM THAT GOES BY THE NAME OF RITA IN 2005

2. Dolly's landfall as a category 2. The working BT has category 1 at 80KT. This is not category 2

3. At 1:00 pm CDT (1800 UTC) that same day, Dolly made landfall on South Padre Island, Texas, as a Category 2 hurricane check the working BT that Chacor posted. 80KT again is cat 1

4. The Yucatan is not a part of Guatemala. Why is the Yucatan damage under the Guatemala section?

5. The damage figures are estimated. My opinion is they will come down a lot, as happened with Ophelia and Humberto

In all, the wiki article on Dolly was one of the poorer ones I have read. Usually, those who manage wiki and write there have TC articles of a much higher quality

So put that on the talk page of the article. You don't need an account. Just copy and paste.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hurricane_Dolly_%282008%29&action=edit&section=new

As for the crapiness, it was on the main page so a lot of non-hurricane followers have been editing it. When its just a minor system, only a handfull of people edit it an its more accurate.

[Ed Mahmoud]

he has his agenda... and science is not it

and he is also dead flat wrong as usual. Hurricane Lili made landfall with a pressure of 964mb and a peak wind of 80KT. The GOM tends to have a different pressure to wind ratio than the rest of the basin for some reason

He explained that as well. Weakening storms, per JB, have less turbulent mixing that bring down lower winds, strengthening storms have more turbulent mixing.

He didn't name Lili by name, but qualified it as 'lowest wind ever in a strenghthening storm' at 964.

It looked steady state before landfall, maybe even weakened a tad.

There was, IIRC, an unofficial 115 mph gust in Matamoros recorded by a chaser, but that was a gust and unofficial.


Don't blame me, I don't have edit priviledges for Wiki and don't really trust them as a source.

I was going to say Allison was only a minimal storm, but that I suspected since flooding was in densely populated area, Allison might have been bigger $ storm in Texas, but the Rita evacuation and the 2 day virtual shutdown of the Houston area pre-Rita may have pushed dollar losses higher.

[Derek Ortt]

there were billions in actual property damage in NE Texas

[AySz88]

Looks like Titoxd got everything already. But if you see something that you can quickly fix, or something not sourced which seems wrong, feel free to just edit or delete it, respectively. Anyone can edit the article; just click the "edit" button at the top of the page or section.

(It doesn't look like we can use the working best track, though, since it doesn't have data for maxima/minima/landfall. The advisories and discussions will have to do until the TCR will lets us know for sure. But the discussions do say landfall at borderline 1-2, so I think I'm going to change the text to that for now.)

[Squarethecircle]

Don't blame me, I don't have edit priviledges for Wiki and don't really trust them as a source.

Technically, if you have a computer (and I presume that this is the case), you can edit Wikipedia.

Their main problem is lack of a very good staff, and the fact that they'll often revert correct edits because they were made either by an unknown or because the bit they edited was made by a trusted editor. If you use it right (with edit histories and Google searches), Wiki is helpful, but it's also frustrating and inconvenient to use (though it's very hard to come up with good competition for something so mind-bendingly enormous).

That being said, the Dolly problems are understandable, but they're pretty unacceptable. Even for such a recent article.

[HurricaneBelle]

he has his agenda... and science is not it

and he is also dead flat wrong as usual. Hurricane Lili made landfall with a pressure of 964mb and a peak wind of 80KT. The GOM tends to have a different pressure to wind ratio than the rest of the basin for some reason

Lili was in a rapid weakening phase at the time of landfall, though.

Does the GOM really have a different pressure/wind ratio? For example, at the other pressure/wind extreme in the GOM, I remember Danny 1985 becoming a hurricane at 997mb.

[brunota2003]

It also depends on the background pressure.

[Air Force Met]

he has his agenda... and science is not it

and he is also dead flat wrong as usual. Hurricane Lili made landfall with a pressure of 964mb and a peak wind of 80KT. The GOM tends to have a different pressure to wind ratio than the rest of the basin for some reason

Let's be honest here...we all have our agenda's. The NHC has their agenda and when you listen to a conference call...depending on the MIC...you can tell. JB has his agenda as well...and I would disagree that it is not science. Matter of fact...there have been things I have heard from the NHC that could lead some to say the same about them over the last few years.

As far as Lili...true...but his point still stands...winds at the sfc are different in rapidly weakening as opposed to rapidly deepening hurricanes.

[Air Force Met]

It also depends on the background pressure.

Exactly. At one point, Lili's closed isobars encompassed the entire GoM. Dolly was set within relatively normal background pressures...perhaps a little higher than normal on her east side.

[Derek Ortt]

I think Danny in 1997 had a pressure of 989 mb when it became a hurricane. It was a storm when it had 997mb

Danny was also quite tiny

as for the landfall... after looking at the data, I have to go with an 80KT 1 right now (even though it does not feel right... I wish we had 2 or 3 planes in the storm)

[RL3AO]

Bye Dolly. See you in 2014.

[CrazyC83]

Bye Dolly. See you in 2014.

I'll be generous here Dolly - don't let the slam on you! (I don't think she did quite enough to warrant the trash bin)

[Ad Novoxium]

I know some here post on Wikipedia... so I am going to take those of you who do to task regarding the Dolly article

1. Dolly is not the most destructive Texas hurricane since Alica. THERE WAS A SMALL STORM THAT GOES BY THE NAME OF RITA IN 2005

2. Dolly's landfall as a category 2. The working BT has category 1 at 80KT. This is not category 2

3. At 1:00 pm CDT (1800 UTC) that same day, Dolly made landfall on South Padre Island, Texas, as a Category 2 hurricane check the working BT that Chacor posted. 80KT again is cat 1

4. The Yucatan is not a part of Guatemala. Why is the Yucatan damage under the Guatemala section?

5. The damage figures are estimated. My opinion is they will come down a lot, as happened with Ophelia and Humberto

In all, the wiki article on Dolly was one of the poorer ones I have read. Usually, those who manage wiki and write there have TC articles of a much higher quality

It's like that when you have cyclones hitting the news quickly. I'm on Wikipedia not for making or doing articles on newer hurricanes, but stick to older ones, with exceptions coming every now and then. Ergo, I rarely focus on current events, because you're almost never to the edit button in time. Plus, there's rapidfire editting.

[Chacor]

The results from the Dolly prediction challenge are now up.

Also, the leaderboard has been updated.

[JonathanBelles]

NWS Brownsville has issued a report on Dolly.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/bro/wxevents/20 ... eport1.htm

[Ptarmigan]

I know some here post on Wikipedia... so I am going to take those of you who do to task regarding the Dolly article

1. Dolly is not the most destructive Texas hurricane since Alica. THERE WAS A SMALL STORM THAT GOES BY THE NAME OF RITA IN 2005

2. Dolly's landfall as a category 2. The working BT has category 1 at 80KT. This is not category 2

3. At 1:00 pm CDT (1800 UTC) that same day, Dolly made landfall on South Padre Island, Texas, as a Category 2 hurricane check the working BT that Chacor posted. 80KT again is cat 1

4. The Yucatan is not a part of Guatemala. Why is the Yucatan damage under the Guatemala section?

5. The damage figures are estimated. My opinion is they will come down a lot, as happened with Ophelia and Humberto

In all, the wiki article on Dolly was one of the poorer ones I have read. Usually, those who manage wiki and write there have TC articles of a much higher quality

If you adjust with inflation, The Great Galveston Hurricane of 1900 is the most destructive.