ATL: Tropical Depression Dolly

Moderator: S2k Moderators

Message
Author
CrazyC83
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 33393
Joined: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:57 pm
Location: Deep South, for the first time!

Re:

#8361 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:59 pm

HurricaneHunter914 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Dolly_%282008%29#cite_note-Bloomberg_damage_estimates-54
Wikipedia puts damage estimates at $1.5 Billion.


That is based on a $600M insured estimate doubled per NHC convention ($1.2B), plus a report that Mexican damage was about 1/4 the US damage ($300M).
0 likes   

CrazyC83
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 33393
Joined: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:57 pm
Location: Deep South, for the first time!

#8362 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:02 pm

000
WTNT34 KWNH 250259
TCPAT4

PUBLIC ADVISORY NUMBER 19 FOR TROPICAL DEPRESSION DOLLY
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD AL042008
1000 PM CDT THURSDAY JULY 24 2008

...TROPICAL DEPRESSION DOLLY CROSSING INTO NORTHEASTERN MEXICO...

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING INLAND
WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR
LOCAL NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE OFFICE.

AT 1000 PM CDT...03Z...THE TROPICAL DEPRESSION WAS LOCATED JUST
OVER THE TEXAS/MEXICO BORDER AT LATITUDE 28.4 NORTH...LONGITUDE
101.6 WEST...APPROXIMATELY 100 MILES WEST- SOUTHWEST OF LAREDO
TEXAS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS WERE NEAR 25 MPH...WITH HIGHER GUSTS TO 35
MPH. THE MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE WAS 1001 MB...OR 29.56 INCHES.

SELECTED STORM TOTAL RAINFALL AMOUNTS IN INCHES...

...TEXAS...

SAN MANUEL......................12.00
BROWNSVILLE 4.6 NNW..............8.62
MCALLEN..........................8.51
HARLINGEN........................5.77
CORPUS CHRISTI...................5.39
MISSION 1.9 ENE..................5.20
KINGSVILLE 8.2 SE................5.19
ODEM.............................4.50
RANDOLPH AFB.....................2.38
KELLY AFB........................2.31


TROPICAL DEPRESSION DOLLY IS EXPECTED TO MOVE WEST NORTHWEST ALONG
THE TEXAS/MEXICO BORDER. ADDITIONAL 3 TO 5 INCH RAINFALL AMOUNTS
ARE POSSIBLE OVER SOUTH TEXAS AND NORTHEASTERN MEXICO OVER THE
NEXT 24 HOURS. THE HIGHER TERRAIN OF NORTHEASTERN MEXICO COULD
RECEIVE HEAVIER TOTALS. THIS EVENT WILL LIKELY CAUSE WIDESPREAD
FLOODING.

REPEATING THE 1000 PM CDT POSITION...28.4 NORTH...101.6
WEST...MOVEMENT TOWARD THE WEST- NORTHWEST AT APPROXIMATELY 11
MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...25 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL
PRESSURE...1001 MB.

THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL
PREDICTION CENTER AT 300 AM CDT.

COLLINS

FORECAST POSITIONS

INITIAL 25/0000Z 28.2N 101.1W...OVER MEXICO
12HR VT 25/1200Z 28.7N 103.1W...OVER MEXICO







$$
0 likes   

CrazyC83
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 33393
Joined: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:57 pm
Location: Deep South, for the first time!

#8363 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:09 pm

As soon as the advisories change to "remnants of Dolly", that is when the storm officially is dead. (That is not always the final HPC advisory)
0 likes   

Derek Ortt

Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Dolly

#8364 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:24 pm

MiamiensisWx wrote:Firstly, I'm definitely not downplaying Dolly's effects on southern Texas and northern Mexico; obviously, the effects on lives speak for itself. However, I believe the data is sufficient to support an informed opinion in regards to the 1-min winds.

I've explored the damage photographs and NWS images from southern Padre Island (within the northern eyewall), and although many frail residences/commercial buildings experienced extensive roof damage, I must admit that the wind damages could have much worse to structures. Damages to vulnerable Washingtonia robusta palms seemed less extensive on S Padre Island than the damages inflicted to the same species in south FL during marginal Cat 1 winds (~65-70 kt) in Wilma; I can attest to that fact, as I was in southeast FL during the storm and after the TC passed. Most of the S Florida palms were snapped, while photographs show several exposed palms intact on S Padre Island. Obviously, a handful of photographs and initial reports should never be utilized to fully ascertain the extent of structural/vegetative damages, so I prudently waited until more data arrived today. Based on a blend of the photographs from S Padre Island, Brownsville/northern Mexico, and elsewhere; the reconnaissance/radar data; and analysis of Dolly's structure around the time of landfall, it seems difficult to believe Dolly's maximum sustained winds exceeded 75-80 kt (strong Category 1 status) at landfall, even when I account for the fact that the strongest winds were not experienced by most residents or sampled by ASOS data/land based stations/buoys. I do believe that S Padre Island experienced sustained winds of hurricane force, but they may have likely been near ~65 kt, with streaks near ~70 kt. A very small area of the coastline in portions of south Texas likely received the maximum sustained winds (~75-80 kt).

Personally, it is apparent that overland friction supported the development of an outer concentric eyewall, which allowed subsidence from the convection to affect Dolly's inner eyewall and core. When combined with ongoing low level dry air intrusion, we observed the "abortion" (halt) of Dolly's intensification as it slowed east of Brownsville. This was evident on radar, which indicated the erosion of the northern eyewall. At the same time, this fostered the development of stronger convection in the southern quadrant, which caused the appearance of a "lopsided" TC as stronger winds mixed to the surface on the south and SW sides. Matamoros, Mexico and Port Isabel, Texas actually received extensive wind damages as a result. As Dolly's forward movement decreased, upwelling became an issue over the shallow depths with more marginal OHC close to the coast, so the TC (likely) weakened to a strong Category 1 hurricane as it moved ashore on the barrier islands. If the aforementioned processes did not occur and the negative factors were absent, a larger area of S Padre Island could have received a larger area of Cat 1 sustained winds and greater coverage of stronger winds, including the maximum 1-min winds. As Dolly moved inland, frictional convergence likely maintained its structure, so the convection brought strong winds well inland to Harlingen and adjacent areas.

I was initially concerned about a potential flooding event in NE Mexico via orographic lifting and ascent enhanced by divergence from the upper low to the west of Dolly, but mid level dry air and capping may have precluded/reduced the threat for more extensive precipitation totals and aereal coverage.

Regardless, Dolly was still impressive and destructive to many structures, and large waves/localized storm surge played a role as well.



huh? I lost you when you siad most Florida palms were snapped in Wilma. I was also here and... no they weren't. Some even survived Andrew

going by tree damage to determine winds is awful science, IMO
0 likes   

User avatar
Chacor
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 10229
Joined: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:43 pm
Location: Singapore

#8365 Postby Chacor » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:09 am

Very deep convection over Texas and Mexico.

Image
0 likes   

RL3AO
Moderator-Pro Met
Moderator-Pro Met
Posts: 16308
Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:03 pm
Location: NC

#8366 Postby RL3AO » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:11 am

Don't you go copy your pal Erin.
0 likes   

User avatar
Chacor
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 10229
Joined: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:43 pm
Location: Singapore

#8367 Postby Chacor » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:05 am

Still no advisory. Almost seems that the HPC have forgotten about Dolly.
0 likes   

User avatar
Chacor
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 10229
Joined: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:43 pm
Location: Singapore

#8368 Postby Chacor » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:08 am

WTNT34 KWNH 250906
TCPAT4

PUBLIC ADVISORY NUMBER 20 FOR TROPICAL DEPRESSION DOLLY
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD AL042008
0400 AM CDT FRIDAY JULY 25 2008

...TROPICAL DEPRESSION DOLLY MOVING ACROSS NORTHEASTERN MEXICO...

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING INLAND
WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR
LOCAL NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE OFFICE.

AT 0400 AM CDT...0900 UTC..THE TROPICAL DEPRESSION WAS LOCATED
NEAR THE TEXAS/MEXICO BORDER...JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE BIG BEND
NEAR LATITUDE 28.6 NORTH...LONGITUDE 103.6 WEST...APPROXIMATELY
100 MILES SOUTH-SOUTHEAST OF MARFA TEXAS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS WERE NEAR 20 MPH...WITH GUSTS TO 30 MPH.
THE MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE WAS 1004 MB...OR 29.65 INCHES.

SELECTED STORM TOTAL RAINFALL AMOUNTS IN INCHES...

...TEXAS...

SAN MANUEL......................12.00
BROWNSVILLE 4.6 NNW..............8.62
MCALLEN..........................8.51
HARLINGEN........................5.77
CORPUS CHRISTI...................5.39
MISSION 1.9 ENE..................5.20
KINGSVILLE 8.2 SE................5.19
ODEM.............................4.50
RANDOLPH AFB.....................2.38
KELLY AFB........................2.31
TERREL COUNTY AIRPORT............0.77


TROPICAL DEPRESSION DOLLY IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE TO MOVE WEST
NORTHWEST ALONG THE TEXAS/MEXICO BORDER DURING FRIDAY. RAINFALL
AMOUNTS OF 1 TO 3 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE OVER SOUTHWEST TEXAS AND
NORTHEASTERN MEXICO...WITH ISOLATED HEAVIER TOTALS POSSIBLE OVER
THE HIGHER TERRAIN OF NORTHEASTERN MEXICO DURING THE NEXT 24
HOURS. THESE RAINS MAY PRODUCE FLASH FLOODING.

REPEATING THE 0400 AM CDT POSITION...28.6 NORTH...103.6
WEST...MOVEMENT TOWARD THE WEST- NORTHWEST AT APPROXIMATELY 17
MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...20 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL
PRESSURE...1004 MB.

THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL
PREDICTION CENTER AT 1000 AM CDT.


FORECAST POSITIONS

INITIAL 25/0600Z 28.6N 102.4W...OVER MEXICO
12HR VT 25/1800Z 29.0N 106.2W...OVER MEXICO

ORAVEC
0 likes   

Smurfwicked
Tropical Storm
Tropical Storm
Posts: 160
Age: 39
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:47 pm
Location: SETX

Re: Re:

#8369 Postby Smurfwicked » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:17 am

CrazyC83 wrote:
HurricaneHunter914 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Dolly_%282008%29#cite_note-Bloomberg_damage_estimates-54
Wikipedia puts damage estimates at $1.5 Billion.


That is based on a $600M insured estimate doubled per NHC convention ($1.2B), plus a report that Mexican damage was about 1/4 the US damage ($300M).


If the Mexican damage of ($300m) is based of US currency, then that should be like 3 Billion over there since our dollar is 10 to their 1. Right?
0 likes   

User avatar
Category 5
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 10074
Age: 34
Joined: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:00 pm
Location: New Brunswick, NJ
Contact:

Re: Re:

#8370 Postby Category 5 » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:22 am

Smurfwicked wrote:
CrazyC83 wrote:
HurricaneHunter914 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Dolly_%282008%29#cite_note-Bloomberg_damage_estimates-54
Wikipedia puts damage estimates at $1.5 Billion.


That is based on a $600M insured estimate doubled per NHC convention ($1.2B), plus a report that Mexican damage was about 1/4 the US damage ($300M).


If the Mexican damage of ($300m) is based of US currency, then that should be like 3 Billion over there since our dollar is 10 to their 1. Right?


I believe you are correct.
0 likes   

User avatar
HURAKAN
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 46086
Age: 37
Joined: Thu May 20, 2004 4:34 pm
Location: Key West, FL
Contact:

Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Dolly

#8371 Postby HURAKAN » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:46 am

Code: Select all

Live rates at 2008.07.25 12:36:25 UTC 
1.00 USD = 10.0082 MXN
United States Dollars    Mexico Pesos 
1 USD = 10.0082 MXN   1 MXN = 0.0999176 USD
0 likes   

User avatar
Chacor
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 10229
Joined: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:43 pm
Location: Singapore

Re:

#8372 Postby Chacor » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:53 am

RL3AO wrote:Don't you go copy your pal Erin.


Deep convection continues to build.

Image

EDIT: Just noticed this image is old. NRL might be having updating issues again.
0 likes   

Ed Mahmoud

Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Dolly

#8373 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:19 am

SELECTED STORM TOTAL RAINFALL AMOUNTS IN INCHES...

...TEXAS...

SAN MANUEL......................12.00
BROWNSVILLE 4.6 NNW..............8.62
MCALLEN..........................8.51
HARLINGEN........................5.77
CORPUS CHRISTI...................5.39
MISSION 1.9 ENE..................5.20
KINGSVILLE 8.2 SE................5.19
ODEM.............................4.50
RANDOLPH AFB.....................2.38
KELLY AFB........................2.31
TERREL COUNTY AIRPORT............0.77


Terrel County is in or very near the edge of the Chihuahuan desert. And the rain fall between Corpus Christi and San Antonio was much needed. Disaster for some people, good for others.

TV news this morning said Deep South Texas cotton crop near a total loss, plants ready for harvest blown down and soaked.

Image
0 likes   

Ed Mahmoud

Re: Re:

#8374 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:20 am

Chacor wrote:
RL3AO wrote:Don't you go copy your pal Erin.


Deep convection continues to build.

Image

EDIT: Just noticed this image is old. NRL might be having updating issues again.


This image is less than an hour old.
Image
0 likes   

User avatar
Chacor
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 10229
Joined: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:43 pm
Location: Singapore

#8375 Postby Chacor » Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:46 am

WTNT34 KWNH 251443
TCPAT4

PUBLIC ADVISORY NUMBER 21 FOR TROPICAL DEPRESSION DOLLY
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD AL042008
1000 AM CDT FRI JUL 25 2008

...TROPICAL DEPRESSION DOLLY MOVING JUST SOUTH OF THE TEXAS BIG
BEND...

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING INLAND
WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL NATIONAL
WEATHER SERVICE OFFICE.

A FLASH FLOOD WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR
BREWSTER...PRESIDIO...JEFF DAVIS...PECOS...AND TERRELL COUNTIES
THROUGH THIS EVENING.

AT 1000 AM CDT...1500Z...THE TROPICAL DEPRESSION WAS LOCATED NEAR
THE TEXAS/MEXICO BORDER...JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE BIG BEND NEAR
LATITUDE 29.2 NORTH...LONGITUDE 104.4 WEST OR 25 MILES...40 KM
SOUTH OF PRESIDIO TEXAS.

THE DEPRESSION IS MOVING WEST-NORTHWEST AT 14 MPH...22 KM/HR...AND
THIS GENERAL MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE DURING THE NEXT 24
HOURS.

BASED UPON DOPPLER RADAR VELOCITY DATA AND UPPER AIR DATA FROM
SOUTHWEST TEXAS...MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE 30 MPH...50
KM/HR...WITH GUSTS TO 40 MPH...65 KM/HR. CONTINUED WEAKENING IS
EXPECTED...WITH DOLLY EXPECTED TO DEGENERATE INTO A SURFACE TROUGH
LATER TODAY.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 1003 MB...29.62 INCHES.

SELECTED STORM TOTAL RAINFALL AMOUNTS IN INCHES...

...TEXAS...

SAN MANUEL......................12.00
RANCHO VIEJO 3 SE................9.67
BROWNSVILLE 4.6 NNW..............8.62
MCALLEN 3 NW.....................8.59
LA JOYA 11 N.....................7.17
CORPUS CHRISTI 4 W...............6.83
FLOUR BLUFF 1.6 SW...............6.46
HILSHIRE VILLAGE 1 SE............6.00
KINGSVILLE 6.5 SSE...............5.80
HARLINGEN........................5.77


TROPICAL DEPRESSION DOLLY IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE TO MOVE
GENERALLY TOWARDS THE WEST TO WEST-NORTHWEST TO THE SOUTH OF THE
TEXAS/MEXICO BORDER DURING THE DAY FRIDAY. RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 1
TO 3 INCHES ARE EXPECTED OVER SOUTHWEST TEXAS AND NORTHEASTERN
MEXICO...WITH ISOLATED HEAVIER TOTALS POSSIBLE OVER THE HIGHER
TERRAIN OF NORTHEASTERN MEXICO AND WESTERN TEXAS DURING THE NEXT
24 HOURS. THESE RAINS MAY PRODUCE FLASH FLOODING.

REPEATING THE 1000 AM CDT POSITION...29.2 NORTH...104.4
WEST...MOVEMENT TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST AT 14 MPH. MAXIMUM
SUSTAINED WINDS...30 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1003 MB.

THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL
PREDICTION CENTER AT 400 PM CDT.

ROTH
0 likes   

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 139083
Age: 67
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Dolly

#8376 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:48 am

:uarrow: Posted at advisory thread.That thread is for advisorys being posted not in this one.
0 likes   

User avatar
Chacor
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 10229
Joined: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:43 pm
Location: Singapore

#8377 Postby Chacor » Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:57 am

Well, HPC advisories contain more information post-inland worthy of discussion, such as rain totals. I don't see a problem with posting it here, especially since discussion has already died off. It's worse when advs are posted here in full during peaks.
0 likes   

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 139083
Age: 67
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Dolly

#8378 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:08 am

It doesnt matter if the discussion has died down,we have to keep an order and that is why we always keep an advisiory thread in the forum until the last advisorie is written by NHC or HPC,for all to read them in one thread solely for those only and leave the main giant thread for comments only about what is posted in the advisory thread.
0 likes   

User avatar
Chacor
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 10229
Joined: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:43 pm
Location: Singapore

#8379 Postby Chacor » Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:20 am

And that "order" is hardly ever enforced. It's much more convenient to have advisories here to discuss them than to have to have a second tab or window open just to reference stuff. Just my opinion, but I think that it might be better to go back to the old way (without a separate advisories thread).
0 likes   

User avatar
Chacor
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 10229
Joined: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:43 pm
Location: Singapore

#8380 Postby Chacor » Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:14 am

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/dolly_imagery.shtml

NOAA's Environmental Visualization Program is offering high resolution satellite imagery of Hurricane Dolly. Below is a high-defintion animation is available to download (right click and save link to your computer.)

You may need to download the free Quicktime player to view the file.

High resolution Hurricane Dolly animation (3MB – .mp4 format)
0 likes   


Return to “2008”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 121 guests