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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#1121 Postby kpost » Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:38 am

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~ovens/loops/wxloop.cgi?wv_east_enhanced+12

on this if you single step it, it seems that it is still from XXXL99 the front seems to be helping convection but what is there now never comes from the front and this loops comes up to about 15 minutes ago. and there seems to be a drier (not sure if that is the right description) barrier between the 2 areas. if i am not seeing this right i would like to know an explanation because i am trying to learn.
this one seems to show it too.
http://mkwc.ifa.hawaii.edu/satellite/satanim.cgi?res=4km&chnl=ir&domain=bah&size=large&period=720&incr=30&rr=900&satplat=goeseast&overlay=off
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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#1122 Postby tailgater » Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:28 am

Ex 99L looks like it's merging with the frontal boundry as of the latest Visible loop.
http://weather.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goeseastconus.html
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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#1123 Postby Honeyko » Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:22 am

wxman57 wrote:Y'all might check a current WV loop. 99L is gone. What you see ENE of the Bahamas are scattered thunderstorms associated with an upper-level low. That's all. No more 99L.
WV? That makes no sense -- you can't pick out surface-features on WV.

In any event, the LLC has developed is own convection again in recent hours. It's distorted now, but it's still there, and spin is still discernible on VIS loops:

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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#1124 Postby JonathanBelles » Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:24 am

Honeyko wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Y'all might check a current WV loop. 99L is gone. What you see ENE of the Bahamas are scattered thunderstorms associated with an upper-level low. That's all. No more 99L.
WV? That makes no sense -- you can't pick out surface-features on WV.

In any event, the LLC has developed is own convection again in recent hours. It's distorted now, but it's still there, and spin is still discernible on VIS loops:

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#1125 Postby Honeyko » Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:32 pm

1715Z....a vigorous mid-level circulation has developed just to the east of the enlongated, frontal-ensnared low-level circulation. Most of the southerly inflow formerly associated with the LLC is now feeding the MLC, so it is reasonable to assume at this point that the LLC will die while the MLC persists (and perhaps forms a new LLC).
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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#1126 Postby Honeyko » Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:37 pm

The mid-level circulation is developing surface features and drawing in the remnants of the nearby old LLC. It has a small anti-cyclone aloft relative to direction of movement.
Honeyko wrote:0804 1930Z: 22N/62W. WNW heading.
0805 0845Z: 22.5N/66W. W/WNW heading continues.
0805 1705Z: 23N/68W...WNW
0806 0645Z: 23N/72W. due W heading.
0806 1645Z: 24.5N/74W...movement NW.
0806 2045Z: 24.75N/74.75W...movement WNW
0807 0415Z: 25/75W...drifting WNW.
0807 0815Z: 25.25N/76.75W...movement W.
0807 1515Z: 25.5N/77W...almost stationary.
0807 1815Z: 25.5N/77W...stationary.
0808 1000Z: 26N/76W...moving NE.

0808 1815Z: 27.5N/73W...moving NE.
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#1127 Postby JonathanBelles » Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:43 pm

Request for this thread to be locked. 99 has been long gone.
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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#1128 Postby SouthFloridawx » Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:45 pm

But it is Titled:

"EX Invest 99L in Western Atlantic"

This would be an appropriate title for this thread. Thus meeting the requirements of your request... Plus this thread is too much fun to be locked.
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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#1129 Postby SouthFloridawx » Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:47 pm

Perhaps you could rename the thread, "Ex remnants, of the remnants, of the remnants of Ex-99L and now a mid-level circulation Near the Bahamas."
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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#1130 Postby Honeyko » Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:24 pm

Weak, sheared tropical entities frequently possess or develop decoupled low- and mid-level circulation centers within a degree or two of each other. They are not treated as disparate systems with other tropical invests, and I see no reason why this one should be considered differently. So, request denied (...not that I could anyway, however, as I didn't create the thread).

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The MLC has now burrowed down the surface, and developed banding in recent frames.
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#1131 Postby Category 5 » Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:29 pm

fact789 wrote:Request for this thread to be locked. 99 has been long gone.


I agree, it's not funny anymore.
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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#1132 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:31 pm

Is a matter of not replying anymore to the thread and it will go down like a rock down the pages.
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#1133 Postby Honeyko » Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:05 pm

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#1134 Postby funster » Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:24 pm

Honeyko wrote:Image


There's something out there getting sheared.
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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#1135 Postby Mecklenburg » Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:28 pm

cycloneye wrote:Is a matter of not replying anymore to the thread and it will go down like a rock down the pages.


same here... :roll:
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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#1136 Postby Category 5 » Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:29 pm

If this develops I'll wear the S2K crow avatar until Gustav forms.
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#1137 Postby Mecklenburg » Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:32 pm

Category 5 wrote:
fact789 wrote:Request for this thread to be locked. 99 has been long gone.


I agree, it's not funny anymore.


fact789's suggestions can't be more appropriate... :roll:... this thing is in hurricane heaven now...
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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#1138 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:36 pm

And with that its over folks!.
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ex-xXx-XXX-x99L back from the grave

#1139 Postby Honeyko » Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:29 pm

Old thread. (Were the sat loops looked at before locking that thread? There was no reason to do that....if some people are not interested in tracking spinners across the ocean in a thread they could choose not to read if they didn't want to, why are they here in the first place? "Talkin' Tropics" is just that, ain't it?)

ex-99L has had to travel three-quarters of the way around the ocean to do it, but it's obviously a strengthening storm now with rapidly-developing banding and a tight circulation which is wrapping cold-top CBs around the center:

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/watl/loop-vis.html
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http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/watl/loop-vis.html
0804 1930Z: 22N/62W. WNW heading.
0805 0845Z: 22.5N/66W. W/WNW heading continues.
0805 1705Z: 23N/68W...WNW
0806 0645Z: 23N/72W. due W heading.
0806 1645Z: 24.5N/74W...movement NW.
0806 2045Z: 24.75N/74.75W...movement WNW
0807 0415Z: 25/75W...drifting WNW.
0807 0815Z: 25.25N/76.75W...movement W.
0807 1515Z: 25.5N/77W...almost stationary.
0807 1815Z: 25.5N/77W...stationary.
0808 1000Z: 26N/76W...moving NE.
0808 1815Z: 27.5N/73W...moving NE.
0808 2245Z: 28N/72W...moving NE.

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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#1140 Postby cpdaman » Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:29 pm

i see dead people/...ehh rotations "goes" link won't work but shows up better there with decent convection.

and my gosh look at that digging trough for august (4 standard deviations) above normal

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/nwatl/loop-wv.html

honeyko what are your latest thoughts now that we are once again free at last to speaketh about this abomination.
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