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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#1261 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:44 am

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 AM EDT SUN JUL 31 2011

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

SATELLITE IMAGES AND NOAA BUOY DATA INDICATE THAT THE LARGE AND
ELONGATED LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM CENTERED ABOUT 650 MILES EAST OF
THE NORTHERN WINDWARD ISLANDS CONTINUES TO BECOME BETTER
ORGANIZED...AND IT COULD DEVELOP INTO A TROPICAL DEPRESSION AT ANY
TIME.
THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...NEAR 100 PERCENT...OF
BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 24 TO 48 HOURS AS IT
MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD NEAR 15 MPH. IF THE LOW BECOMES A TROPICAL
CYCLONE LATER TODAY...TROPICAL STORM WATCHES OR WARNINGS WOULD
LIKELY BE REQUIRED FOR PORTIONS OF THE NORTHERN WINDWARD ISLANDS
AND THE LEEWARD ISLANDS.
INTERESTS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD CLOSELY
MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM. AN AIR FORCE RESERVE UNIT
RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT IS SCHEDULED TO INVESTIGATE THIS
DISTURBANCE LATER THIS AFTERNOON.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER STEWART

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#1262 Postby SouthDadeFish » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:44 am

Will they wait for recon?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#1263 Postby GCANE » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:49 am

Looks like the anti-cyclone has taken a hit and shear is increasing.

Maybe about 15 knots UL winds over the LLC.

As usual, waves have their ups and downs.

Could have a big impact on forecast track.

Longer it remains a wave, the straight west it goes.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#1264 Postby dwsqos2 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:01 am

I would vote yes waiting for recon; it doesn't meet the classical convective definition, in my very humble opinion. T1.0 is not high enough.

And, I'm sorry, but the relatively weak solutions the Euro keeps spitting out give me pause about its absolute potential. I mean the model has a resolution of 12 km. Yes, yes I know: Don't use a global model solution as a measure of absolute intensity, but solution after solution of a 1008-1010 mb low makes me step back for a bit.

Upper-level wind progs on the gfs look nice, but still.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#1265 Postby BobHarlem » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:05 am

Starting to see 91L on radar over from Martinique (It's looped at http://flhurricane.com/imageanimator.php?108 )
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Models

#1266 Postby jlauderdal » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:06 am

ronjon wrote:Uh-oh. 00z GFS ensemble run shows ridging building back in along the east coast in 6 days. Would likely guide 91L into FL and possibly into the GOM or the SE US coast.

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00z ECM ensemble run in remarkable agreement with GFS ensemble at 144 hrs. I would expect a shift in the operational models toward the south and west based on these runs. This pattern is probably what the GFDL is picking up on.

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exits into the gulf at 28.4, 82.6 :grr:
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Models

#1267 Postby boca » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:11 am

The 06z GFS has 91L recurving east of the Bahamas.

http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/NCOMAGWEB/appc ... mageSize=M
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Models

#1268 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:18 am

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#1269 Postby HurricaneWarning92 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:21 am

Wow it sure is taking its time developing..
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#1270 Postby HurricaneWarning92 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:23 am

:uarrow: is it me or i see a wnw track at the end?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#1271 Postby boca » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:25 am

The system is so large thats why its taking its sweet time getting its act together.
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#1272 Postby shaggy » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:26 am

jhpigott wrote:
TheDreamTraveler wrote:Here's the latest run of the GFDL. Very eye opening to look at:

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/gfdltc2. ... =Animation

Still though, this storm hasn't formed so things can still change. Though if it followed that path it'd be a bit hard for it to recurve without hitting the east coast.


If that track pans out, I don't see how it avoids hitting somewhere along the east coast. Last frame looks to be 40-50 miles south south east of andros island. Almost have to come to a complete stop and head due north to miss SFL on that track


Storms can get quite close to a coastline and still miss them......2 storms that recurved at close proximity to the SE coast are 1999 dennis and Ophelia 2005
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Models

#1273 Postby boca » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:27 am

I pm'd cycloneye regarding that last frame.
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#1274 Postby jlauderdal » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:31 am

shaggy wrote:
jhpigott wrote:
TheDreamTraveler wrote:Here's the latest run of the GFDL. Very eye opening to look at:

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/gfdltc2. ... =Animation

Still though, this storm hasn't formed so things can still change. Though if it followed that path it'd be a bit hard for it to recurve without hitting the east coast.


If that track pans out, I don't see how it avoids hitting somewhere along the east coast. Last frame looks to be 40-50 miles south south east of andros island. Almost have to come to a complete stop and head due north to miss SFL on that track


Storms can get quite close to a coastline and still miss them......2 storms that recurved at close proximity to the SE coast are 1999 dennis and Ophelia 2005


we were all in full prep mode for dennis because it was forecast to get so close but it did make the turn but so close we had to prepare for a direct hit
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Models

#1275 Postby HurricaneWarning92 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:31 am

boca wrote:I pm'd cycloneye regarding that last frame.


i doesnt show an immediate recurve like previous runs, its as if theres a ridge building back in making it go wnw at the end. :eek:
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#1276 Postby HurricaneWarning92 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:43 am

it looks like a depression here... imo

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/catl/loop-vis.html
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Models

#1277 Postby boca » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:44 am

HurricaneWarning92 wrote:
boca wrote:I pm'd cycloneye regarding that last frame.


i doesnt show an immediate recurve like previous runs, its as if theres a ridge building back in making it go wnw at the end. :eek:


The 06z GFS has it recurving east of the Bahamas.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Models

#1278 Postby HurricaneWarning92 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:48 am

boca wrote:
HurricaneWarning92 wrote:
boca wrote:I pm'd cycloneye regarding that last frame.


i doesnt show an immediate recurve like previous runs, its as if theres a ridge building back in making it go wnw at the end. :eek:


The 06z GFS has it recurving east of the Bahamas.


Im talking about the 06z HWRF
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#1279 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:49 am

DID that front circ that develop way out to the west yesterday really break of... thats weird..
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#1280 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:51 am

ITs also moving basically due west... its going through the central islands...
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