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Re: ATL: IRENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2201 Postby AdamFirst » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:30 pm

NWS Melbourne disco from this afternoon

WED-SAT...THE FORECAST FOR LATE WEEK WILL BE HIGHLY DEPENDENT ON
FUTURE MOVEMENTS OF TC IRENE CURRENTLY JUST SOUTHEAST OF PUERTO
RICO. THE NHC FORECAST HAS IRENE MOVING ACROSS EASTERN CUBA ON
WEDNESDAY...EMERGING INTO THE STRAITS OF FLORIDA AND APPROACHING S
FL LATE THURSDAY. LTST GUID SUGGESTS MORE EAST BIAS TOWARD MEDIUM
RANGE SOLNS AND THIS TREND INCLUDING THE POSSIBILITY OF A LONGER
DURATION OPEN WATER TRACK DEMONSTRATES THE CONTINUED UNCERTAINTY
ON FUTURE EFFECTS FOR THE IMMEDIATE AREA. EVERYONE SHOULD CLOSELY
MONITOR NHC FORECASTS FOR THE LATEST ON IRENE.


NWS Miami disco

TROPICAL STORM IRENE CONTINUES TO MOVE TOWARD THE WEST NORTHWEST
AT 17 MPH. ALTHOUGH THE STORM HAS WELL-DEFINED BANDING FEATURES IT
STILL LACKS DEEP CONVECTION NEAR THE CENTER. THE FORECAST
REASONING SINCE THIS MORNING IS VERY MUCH UNCHANGED. THERE IS A
LOT OF UNCERTAINTY ON THE EXACT TRACK AND INTENSITY. HOWEVER...A
HURRICANE LANDFALL IN THE SOUTHEASTERN US IS POSSIBLE, INCLUDING
SOUTH FLORIDA.

THERE IS A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE TEMPERATURE FORECAST FOR
THURSDAY SINCE A CHANGE IN THE FORECAST TRACK COULD CHANGE
CONSIDERABLE THE TEMPERATURES. NO CHANGES WERE DONE TO THE
EXTENDED TEMPERATURES BECAUSE OF THIS UNCERTAINTY AT THIS TIME.

THE 12Z GFS SHOWS A MODEST SHIFT TO THE EAST IN THE TRACK OF THE
STORM. THIS NEW TRACK OF THE GFS IS MORE SIMILAR TO THE 00Z ECMWF
BUT THE ECMWF STILL KEEPS THE STORM CLOSER TO THE EAST COAST OF
FLORIDA THAN THE 12Z GFS. THE WINDS IN THE GRIDS MATCH WELL THE
00Z GFS...WHICH MATCHED VERY WELL THE 11 AM NHC ADVISORY TRACK. IT
IS PROBABLY BETTER TO SEE A TREND IN THE MODELS RATHER THAN 1 OR 2
SHIFTS BEFORE MAKING SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE EXTENDED GRIDS AT
THIS TIME.

THE BIGGEST UNCERTAINTY WITH IRENE AT THE CURRENT TIME ARE A
SERIES OF TROUGHS THAT ARE FORECAST TO REACH THE EASTERN US IN THE
NEXT FEW DAYS. THE BIG QUESTION TO BE ANSWERED IS HOW THESE
TROUGHS OR WEAKNESSES WILL IMPACT THE TRACK OF IRENE ...


NWS Jacksonville disco

.LONG TERM...ALL EYES FOCUSED ON FLORIDA AS MEDIUM RANGE GUIDANCE
AS WELL AS OFFICIAL FORECAST TRACK FROM NHC ADVANCE IRENE
NORTHWARD TOWARDS FLORIDA OR ITS ADJACENT COASTAL WATERS. THERE
ARE MYRIAD SCENARIOS AND IRENE FIRST MUST OVERCOME MOUNTAINOUS
TERRAIN ACROSS HISPANIOLA. THE EXTENDED FORECAST IS HIGHLY
DEPENDENT ON THE TRACK AND STRENGTH OF IRENE. LOCAL AND MARINE
INTERESTS SHOULD CLOSELY MONITOR FORECASTS AND THE PROGRESS OF
THIS FEATURE.
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#2202 Postby JPmia » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:41 pm

Jevo wrote:A little late on the shot.. but I think it's well past that time...

Welcome to the club Irene

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love it.. understatement of the day! :wink:
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#2203 Postby KWT » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:41 pm

cycloneye wrote:
PR doesn't have the high spine that Hispanola has,so It may weaken a tad but not destroy it. Moving a tad slower.


Nope it certainly won't destroy it, but it'll probably at least halt strengthening. I doubt it'd weaken a large system like this all that much if at all...
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Re: ATL: IRENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2204 Postby ozonepete » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:49 pm

GCANE wrote:Right on queue; the TUTT N of PR is dissipating and a new one developing directly to the east around 15N 43W.

Poleward outflow channel is dramtically improving.

This is a setup usually seen with the WPAC big boys.



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Nice call, GCANE. You actually forecast this further back sometime yesterday as well. The outflow is obviously really impressive now and the convection is already responding. Very impressive job, G.
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#2205 Postby SouthDadeFish » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:51 pm

Irene reminds me a lot of a W PAC system... I hope it doesn't ramp up like one.
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#2206 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:52 pm

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looks to be approaching St. Croix
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Re: ATL: IRENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2207 Postby AdamFirst » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:56 pm

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Re: ATL: IRENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2208 Postby SouthDadeFish » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:57 pm

AdamFirst wrote:http://radblast-mi.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/radar/WUNIDS_map?station=JUA&brand=wui&num=20&delay=15&type=N0Z&frame=0&scale=0.180&noclutter=0&t=1313956440&lat=18.41661644&lon=-66.32196808&label=Vega+Alta%2C+PR&showstorms=0&map.x=400&map.y=240%C2%A2erx=-170%C2%A2ery=140&transx=-570&transy=-100&showlabels=1&severe=0&rainsnow=1&lightning=1&smooth=1

Eyewall beginning to form?


I think so. Not looking good for PR.
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#2209 Postby theweatherwatch » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:58 pm

AdamFirst wrote:http://radblast-mi.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/radar/WUNIDS_map?station=JUA&brand=wui&num=20&delay=15&type=N0Z&frame=0&scale=0.180&noclutter=0&t=1313956440&lat=18.41661644&lon=-66.32196808&label=Vega+Alta%2C+PR&showstorms=0&map.x=400&map.y=240%C2%A2erx=-170%C2%A2ery=140&transx=-570&transy=-100&showlabels=1&severe=0&rainsnow=1&lightning=1&smooth=1

Eyewall beginning to form?


Yeah with out question it's starting to form. I would say it's more then 50% complete at this point. Getting Rounder as well with each new update!
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#2210 Postby gatorcane » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:59 pm

Cycloneye appears to be missing. :eek:

I had a feeling this could impact Puerto Rico last night when I was looking at the SAT loops.
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Re: ATL: IRENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2211 Postby AdamFirst » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:00 pm

Hydrometeorological Prediction Center (HPC) forecast issued earlier this afternoon...day 6

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Re: ATL: IRENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2212 Postby WxEnthus » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:00 pm

Video of flooding in St Maarten:

http://youtu.be/wzK_WtMKWcs

You can hear that howling sound.
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#2213 Postby srainhoutx » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:00 pm

gatorcane wrote:Cycloneye appears to be missing. :eek:

I had a feeling this could impact Puerto Rico last night when I was looking at the SAT loops.


Luis is fine and well prepared. :wink:
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#2214 Postby ROCK » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:02 pm

KWT wrote:
cycloneye wrote:
PR doesn't have the high spine that Hispanola has,so It may weaken a tad but not destroy it. Moving a tad slower.


Nope it certainly won't destroy it, but it'll probably at least halt strengthening. I doubt it'd weaken a large system like this all that much if at all...



the lack of core in this instance might not knock her down to much...
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#2215 Postby cycloneye » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:02 pm

gatorcane wrote:Cycloneye appears to be missing. :eek:

I had a feeling this could impact Puerto Rico last night when I was looking at the SAT loops.


I am still here. I clocked 35 mph in a gust with a strong outer band an hour ago. I am ready for anything,but mother nature has the last word.
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Re: ATL: IRENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2216 Postby SkeetoBite » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:03 pm

AdamFirst wrote:Hydrometeorological Prediction Center (HPC) forecast issued earlier this afternoon...day 6

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This is a 6th day extrapolation of the last 5 day forecast from NHC.
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#2217 Postby gatorcane » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:03 pm

cycloneye wrote:
gatorcane wrote:Cycloneye appears to be missing. :eek:

I had a feeling this could impact Puerto Rico last night when I was looking at the SAT loops.


I am still here. I clocked 35 mph in a gust with a strong outer band an hour ago. I am ready for anything,but mother nature has the last word.


Good to hear you are OK. Good luck.
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#2218 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:04 pm

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Re: ATL: IRENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2219 Postby artist » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:04 pm

SkeetoBite wrote:
AdamFirst wrote:Hydrometeorological Prediction Center (HPC) forecast issued earlier this afternoon...day 6

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This is a 6th day extrapolation of the last 5 day forecast from NHC.

thanks skeetobite. Good to see you around.
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#2220 Postby KWT » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:06 pm

Its got a classic sginature thats for sure, as long as it can broadly hold that shape it has currently overland its going to be a problem once it comes off...

The models are really agressive once off hispaniola...esp if it only clips the northern part of the islands as the ECM suggests.

Looks like its heading right for PR...could well make offical landfall there.
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