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Re: WPAC: NESAT - Tropical Storm

#61 Postby phwxenthusiast » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:50 am

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phwxenthusiast wrote:
JTWC's highest winds on Megi was around 155G190K... Camille was special because we had obs during landfall and they actually recorded the 1-min sustained of around 175kts... PAGASA didn't have reporting stations in Divilacan (closes was in Baler, i believe)...

i wish we have archives of the Recon Missions on Megi..


For some reason of which I have no idea the JTWC downgraded Megi in their post season BT. They didn't warn high enough in the first place either. As far as I am concerned though recon did show 150kt winds just you won't ever see the JMA warning that high! Remember Tip was only 140kts.


yeah well here's the Vortex Data i found dated 101710 12z which is right around Megi's peak point... and the SFMR is "only" around 152kts..

Product: Vortex Message (URPA12 PGUA)
Transmitted: 17th day of the month at 12:23Z
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 304)
Storm Number: 30
Storm Name: Megi (flight in the Northwest Pacific basin)
Mission Number: 8
Observation Number: 15
A. Time of Center Fix: 17th day of the month at 12:06:00Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 18°01'N 125°05'E (18.0167N 125.0833E) (View map)
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: 2,151m (7,057ft) at 700mb
D. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind: 152kts (~ 174.9mph)
E. Location of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind: 7 nautical miles (8 statute miles) to the S (178°) of center fix
F. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 266° at 152kts (From the W at ~ 174.9mph)
G. Location of Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 7 nautical miles (8 statute miles) to the S (178°) of center fix
H. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 893mb (26.37 inHg)
I. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 9°C (48°F) at a pressure alt. of 3,048m (10,000ft)
J. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 18°C (64°F) at a pressure alt. of 3,041m (9,977ft)
K. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 16°C (61°F)
K. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
L. Eye Character: Closed Wall
M. Eye Shape & Diameter: Circular with a diameter of 16 nautical miles (18 statute miles)
N. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Wind, Pressure and Temperature
N. Fix Level: 700mb
O. Navigation Fix Accuracy: 0.02 nautical miles
O. Meteorological Accuracy: 1 nautical mile
Remarks Section - Remarks That Were Decoded...
Maximum Wind Outbound: 190kts (~ 218.6mph) in the northwest quadrant at 12:09:10Z
Maximum Flight Level Wind: 190kts (~ 218.6mph) in the northwest quadrant at 12:09:10Z
Maximum Flight Level Temp: 19°C (66°F) which was observed 5 nautical miles to the NW (325°) from the flight level center
Remarks Section - Additional Remarks...
FREQUENT LIGHTNING IN THE EYEWALL

anyway back to topic, i have a feeling we'll see a very different Nesat come tomorrow's sunrise...
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#62 Postby yulou » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:59 am

ZCZC
WTPQ20 BABJ 240600 CCA
SUBJECTIVE FORECAST
TS NESAT 1117 (1117) INITIAL TIME 240600 UTC
00HR 14.6N 135.4E 1000HPA 18M/S
30KTS 120KM
P12HR WNW 19KM/H
P+24HR 15.4N 131.3E 992HPA 23M/S
P+48HR 16.0N 127.7E 975HPA 28M/S
P+72HR 17.2N 124.6E 940HPA 52M/S
P+96HR 18.4N 121.0E 970HPA 33M/S
P+120HR 19.6N 117.4E 965HPA 35M/S=
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CMA:72hrs after,nesat will be a SuperTY....:eek: :eek:
it's so amazing,but i don't think it's impossible,you can see SST is very high and wind shear is weak.
the main disadvantage is that nesat is too big
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Re: WPAC: NESAT - Tropical Storm

#63 Postby dexterlabio » Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:43 am

Now you are mentioning Megi, I was thinking a while ago that Megi and Nesat could be similar. Isn't it Megi started near the area where Nesat was spawned? Also the initial forecasts and projected impact which is Cagayan. Though I believe Nesat also has a chance to end up like Mindulle in 2004 where it passed just north of Cagayan and headed to Taiwan...only if Nesat won't make any sharp turn to the west anytime soon.
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Re: WPAC: NESAT - Tropical Storm

#64 Postby P.K. » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:49 am

phwxenthusiast wrote:yeah well here's the Vortex Data i found dated 101710 12z which is right around Megi's peak point... and the SFMR is "only" around 152kts..


SFMR peaked at 173kts after that VDM right around the 190kt FL wind. It was flagged but it looked reasonable. The later VDM listed the SFMR figure at 165kts.

WTPQ20 RJTD 241200
RSMC TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVISORY
NAME TS 1117 NESAT (1117)
ANALYSIS
PSTN 241200UTC 15.0N 133.7E FAIR
MOVE W 13KT
PRES 994HPA
MXWD 040KT
GUST 060KT
30KT 120NM NORTHEAST 90NM SOUTHWEST
FORECAST
24HF 251200UTC 16.3N 129.1E 75NM 70%
MOVE WNW 12KT
PRES 985HPA
MXWD 050KT
GUST 070KT
48HF 261200UTC 17.3N 126.0E 110NM 70%
MOVE WNW 08KT
PRES 980HPA
MXWD 055KT
GUST 080KT
72HF 271200UTC 18.4N 122.9E 160NM 70%
MOVE WNW 08KT
PRES 970HPA
MXWD 065KT
GUST 095KT =
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#65 Postby oaba09 » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:40 am

What is it w/ september and strong typhoons hitting our country? The forecasted track and intensity are very worrying...
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Re: WPAC: NESAT - Tropical Storm

#66 Postby apocalypt-flyer » Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:20 am

The forecast and the fact that it's nearly October made me think Megi straight away as well. Whilst not quite the same track, the projected landfall area is freakishly similar. Let's hope that's not the case.
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Re: WPAC: NESAT - Tropical Storm

#67 Postby Cranica » Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:00 pm

Good lord, look at the satellite loops. I don't think I've seen this much black IR since Wilma.
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#68 Postby Extratropical94 » Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:38 pm

WTPN31 PGTW 242100
MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVMARFCSTCEN PEARL HARBOR HI/JTWC//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING//
RMKS/
1. TROPICAL STORM 20W (NESAT) WARNING NR 006
02 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONES IN NORTHWESTPAC
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
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WARNING POSITION:
241800Z --- NEAR 15.0N 132.3E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 265 DEGREES AT 13 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 060 NM
POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 055 KT, GUSTS 070 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 020 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
020 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
020 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
020 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 070 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
080 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
REPEAT POSIT: 15.0N 132.3E
---
FORECASTS:
12 HRS, VALID AT:
250600Z --- 15.1N 129.8E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 065 KT, GUSTS 080 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 095 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
085 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
085 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
105 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 275 DEG/ 11 KTS
---
24 HRS, VALID AT:
251800Z --- 15.2N 127.6E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 080 KT, GUSTS 100 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 020 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
020 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
020 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
020 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 055 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
055 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
055 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
055 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 110 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
105 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
105 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
125 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 290 DEG/ 10 KTS
---
36 HRS, VALID AT:
260600Z --- 15.8N 125.7E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 100 KT, GUSTS 125 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 035 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
030 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
030 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
035 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 065 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
065 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 120 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
115 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
115 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
130 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 295 DEG/ 09 KTS
---
EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
48 HRS, VALID AT:
261800Z --- 16.5N 124.0E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 120 KT, GUSTS 145 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 075 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
075 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 125 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
120 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
120 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
125 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 295 DEG/ 09 KTS
---
72 HRS, VALID AT:
271800Z --- 17.8N 120.7E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 080 KT, GUSTS 100 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
VECTOR TO 96 HR POSIT: 300 DEG/ 09 KTS
---
LONG RANGE OUTLOOK:
---
96 HRS, VALID AT:
281800Z --- 19.6N 117.6E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 085 KT, GUSTS 105 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
VECTOR TO 120 HR POSIT: 305 DEG/ 08 KTS
---
120 HRS, VALID AT:
291800Z --- 21.4N 114.7E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 100 KT, GUSTS 125 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
---
REMARKS:
242100Z POSITION NEAR 15.0N 131.7E.
TROPICAL STORM (TS) 20W, LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 650 NM WEST OF
MANILA, PHILIPPINES, HAS TRACKED WESTWARD AT 13 KNOTS OVER THE PAST
SIX HOURS. ANIMATED INFRARED SATELLITE IMAGERY DEPICTS EXPANDING
DEEP CONVECTION AROUND THE ENTIRE SYSTEM AND CONSOLIDATING DEEP
CONVECTION AROUND THE CORE. THE ANIMATION ALSO CONFIRMS THAT STORM
MOTION HAS BACKED SLIGHTLY TOWARDS THE WEST, AS EXPECTED. THE LATEST
AMSUB RADIAL CROSS SECTION REVEALS THAT THE MID-LEVEL WARM ANOMALY
IS INTENSIFYING. A 241630Z AMSRE IMAGE INDICATES TIGHTENING IN THE
CONVECTIVE BANDING AROUND THE LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC). A
241155Z ASCAT IMAGE REVEALS AN EXPANDING AREA OF GALES OVER THE
NORTHERN SEMICIRCLE. THE 241200Z PGTW UPPER LEVEL STREAMLINE
ANALYSIS DEPICTS AN ANTICYCLONE EAST OF THE LLCC AND A DIFFLUENT
ASYMPTOTE OVER THE TOP OF THE SYSTEM. TS 20W EXISTS IN A HIGHLY
DIFFLUENT REGION WITH ONLY 5 TO 10 KNOTS OF VERTICAL WIND SHEAR. SEA
SURFACE TEMPERATURES ARE 30 DEGREES AND INCREASING SLIGHTLY ALONG
TRACK. ANIMATED WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS OUTSTANDING RADIAL
OUTFLOW, WITH EQUATORWARD OUTFLOW VENTING ALL THE WAY INTO THE
SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE. THE OUTFLOW CONDITIONS AND WARM SEA SURFACE
TEMPERATURES WILL ALLOW THE STORM UNIMPEDED DEVELOPMENT DURING THE
NEXT 24 HOURS. THE INTENSITY RAMP-UP OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS
SLIGHTLY MORE THAN ONE DVORAK VALUE PER DAY, WHICH IS NOT AGGRESSIVE
CONSIDERING THE CURRENT SYNOPTIC SITUATION. TS 20W WILL STEER ALONG
THE SOUTHWESTERN FLANK OF THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE FOR THE NEXT 24
HOURS. NEAR TAU 24, THE RIDGE WILL WEAKEN AND RETRACT JUST ENOUGH TO
ALLOW THE STORM TO VEER TO THE NORTHWEST THROUGH LANDFALL. TS 20W
WILL ENCOUNTER EVEN WARMER SEA WATER OFF THE NORTHEAST COAST OF
LUZON WHILE REMAINING IN A LOW SHEAR ENVIRONMENT AND NEAR TAU 60, IT
WILL PEAK AT SUPER TYPHOON INTENSITY JUST BEFORE IT MAKES LANDFALL.
ENTRY POINT WILL BE OVER THE DIVILACAN BAY REGION, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN
AUBAREDE POINT AND ILIGAN POINT. ONCE INLAND, TOPOGRAPHY WILL FORCE
THE TRACK A LITTLE MORE WESTWARD AND DRIVE THE STORM ACROSS THE
RUGGED TERRAIN OF THE NORTHERN SIERRA MADRES. LAOG LOOKS LIKE A
REASONABLE EJECTION POINT, WHICH WOULD KEEP THE STORM OVER LAND FOR
ROUGHLY 15 HOURS. ACCORDING TO STATISTICAL ANALOGUES, A 15 HOUR OVER-
LAND TRACK RESULTS IN A FORTY PER CENT REDUCTION IN STORM INTENSITY,
WHICH WOULD RESULT IN NESAT EJECTING INTO THE SOUTH CHINA SEA (SCS)
AT 80 KNOTS. ONCE IN THE SCS, TS 20W WILL BE OVER WARM WATERS BUT IN
A HIGHER SHEAR ENVIRONMENT, AND THUS UNDERGO ONLY MODERATE RE-
INTENSIFICATION. THE TRACK OVER THE SCS WILL TAKE THE STORM CLOSE TO
HONG KONG, WITH A SECOND PEAK INTENSITY NEAR 100 KNOTS. WHILE
INTENSITY GUIDANCE IS TYPICALLY WEAK IN RAPID INTENSIFICATION
SCENARIOS AND THUS FAR HAS BEEN SEVERELY LACKING, TRACK GUIDANCE HAS
BEEN IN EXCELLENT AGREEMENT ON THE OVERALL SCENARIO. DISCREPANCIES
EXIST IN THE ALONG-TRACK SPEEDS AND THE DISTANCE FROM HONG KONG, BUT
CONSIDERING THE EXTENDED RANGE OF THE HONG KONG THREAT AND THE OVER-
LAND ROUTE BETWEEN THEN AND NOW, THOSE DISCREPANCIES ARE MINOR. THE
TRACK FORECAST STAYS CLOSE TO AND SLIGHTLY FASTER THAN CONSENSUS,
WHILE THE INTENSITY FORECAST IS BASED ON OBSERVED ENVIRONMENTAL
CONDITIONS FACTORED WITH A CLIMATOLOGICAL RATE OF DEVELOPMENT FOR A
SYSTEM OF THIS TYPE, TRACK, AND SEASON. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT WAVE
HEIGHT AT 241800Z IS 14 FEET. NEXT WARNINGS AT 250300Z, 250900Z,
251500Z AND 252100Z. REFER TO TROPICAL DEPRESSION 21W (TWENTY-ONE)
WARNINGS (WTPN32 PGTW)
FOR SIX-HOURLY UPDATES.//
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#69 Postby Extratropical94 » Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:43 pm

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<Analyses at 24/18 UTC>
Scale   -
Intensity   -
Center position   N15°00'(15.0°)
   E132°00'(132.0°)
Direction and speed of movement   W 30km/h(16kt)
Central pressure   990hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center   23m/s(45kt)
Maximum wind gust speed   35m/s(65kt)
Area of 30kt winds or more   NE280km(150NM)
   SW220km(120NM)
<Forecast for 25/06 UTC>
Intensity   -
Center position of probability circle   N15°30'(15.5°)
   E129°50'(129.8°)
Direction and speed of movement   W 20km/h(11kt)
Central pressure   990hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center   23m/s(45kt)
Maximum wind gust speed   35m/s(65kt)
Radius of probability circle   90km(50NM)
<Forecast for 25/18 UTC>
Intensity   -
Center position of probability circle   N16°05'(16.1°)
   E127°30'(127.5°)
Direction and speed of movement   WNW 20km/h(11kt)
Central pressure   985hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center   25m/s(50kt)
Maximum wind gust speed   35m/s(70kt)
Radius of probability circle   140km(75NM)
<Forecast for 26/18 UTC>
Intensity   -
Center position of probability circle   N17°25'(17.4°)
   E123°50'(123.8°)
Direction and speed of movement   WNW 20km/h(10kt)
Central pressure   975hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center   30m/s(60kt)
Maximum wind gust speed   45m/s(90kt)
Radius of probability circle   200km(110NM)
Storm warning area   ALL310km(170NM)
<Forecast for 27/18 UTC>
Intensity   Strong
Center position of probability circle   N18°40'(18.7°)
   E119°50'(119.8°)
Direction and speed of movement   WNW 20km/h(10kt)
Central pressure   970hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center   35m/s(65kt)
Maximum wind gust speed   50m/s(95kt)
Radius of probability circle   300km(160NM)
Storm warning area   ALL430km(230NM)
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Re: WPAC: NESAT - Tropical Storm

#70 Postby Cranica » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:36 pm

THE OUTFLOW CONDITIONS AND WARM SEA SURFACE
TEMPERATURES WILL ALLOW THE STORM UNIMPEDED DEVELOPMENT DURING THE
NEXT 24 HOURS.


That's the most aggressive wording I've ever seen out of the JTWC :eek:
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#71 Postby phwxenthusiast » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:43 pm

diurnal max baby... 8-) :eek:
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Re: WPAC: NESAT - Tropical Storm

#72 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:47 pm

:uarrow: You said it right.

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Re: WPAC: NESAT - Tropical Storm

#73 Postby Cranica » Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:13 pm

For those of you looking for WPAC imagery, it can be found at http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/floaters.html
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Re: WPAC: NESAT - Tropical Storm

#74 Postby Ptarmigan » Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:32 pm

Looking at the satellite image, Nesat is likely going to undergo rapid intensification. I have seen storms look like that and they are going to intensify soon.
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#75 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:36 pm

First visible image of Sunday morning.

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Re: WPAC: NESAT - Tropical Storm

#76 Postby Cranica » Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:45 pm

Ptarmigan wrote:Looking at the satellite image, Nesat is likely going to undergo rapid intensification. I have seen storms look like that and they are going to intensify soon.


I do believe we have our nominee for understatement of the year. I also don't think the future tense is needed, it's well underway from the looks of it.
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#77 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:51 pm

Agreed, this looks like a storm that is in the process of exploding. Super typhoon within 24 hours?
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#78 Postby phwxenthusiast » Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:16 pm

The shear will limit that imho... That doesnt mean it wont become a major tomorrow though...
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Re: WPAC: NESAT - Tropical Storm

#79 Postby dexterlabio » Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:41 pm

^Yeah I agree. Though I've read something in this forum before (also from JTWC prog for TY Ma-on last July) that huge storms can make its "own" environment or alter the present conditions along its path such as modifying the steering pattern and shielding itself against high shear (though it tends to seep in more dry air). I'm afraid Nesat could turn into something like this.


WOW, convection looking very, very robust right now. If I'm not mistaken, it has already developed a CDO, and most storms I've seen having this feature underwent RI and formed an eye. Could this be the start?

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#80 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:04 pm

24/2032 UTC 14.9N 131.4E T4.0/4.0 NESAT -- West Pacific
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