ATL: IRENE - Remnants - Discussion

[Chacor]

Getting near TS-force sustained in MA now. Here's the METAR from Nantucket Airport:
KACK 281353Z 14032G41KT 3SM HZ BKN019 BKN026 OVC031 24/21 A2937 RMK AO2 PK WND 13042/1340 SLP946 T02390211

[Chacor]

Pressure on the last METAR reported from Danbury, CT was 975 mb.

[bob rulz]

Direct landfall on New York City. Imagine if this had been a category 3 as was originally forecast...

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

Direct landfall on New York City. Imagine if this had been a category 3 as was originally forecast...

Indeed a large cat 3 hitting NYC near high tide, I don't even want to think about that.

[WeatherGuesser]

Direct landfall on New York City. Imagine if this had been a category 3 as was originally forecast...

Yeah, but that's the problem. It isn't that it was overhyped or mis-forecast, it's just that it died out earlier due to a combination of things. Now, how will people react when the next one comes in?

[wxman57]

Direct landfall on New York City. Imagine if this had been a category 3 as was originally forecast...

Something like this?:

[Chacor]

Winds starting to pick up in southern Canada ahead of Irene. Pierre Elliott Trudeau International (Montréal, QC) reported 21 kt winds, while Ottawa International (Ottawa, ON) reported 16 kt gusting 25 kt.

[Dave]

Thanks to all who colaborated in this effort to post all the data from recon of Irene. I know some had long nights and many hours posting and that is not easy to do.

Thank you Luis....gave Storm2K about all I had hope I didn't bore to many people. Takes ALL of us to work recon not just one and it was my pleasure to work with CrazyC83; Hurakan; RL3AO, Mark (I'll never remember his ID - lol); JonathanBelles (someday would you PLEASE learn how to work graphics?); Annie; Artist; WeatherSnoop; Supercane; Macrocane; TheEuropean (pro met); Henkl; and so many others who were here at one time or the another...now all I can say is...NEXT!

Also never got a chance until now to say "thank you" to Storm2K for selecting me for the moderators job but just remember all that changes with me is I'm green instead of orange...I'm still the same guy I was before...so beware....just kidding!!

Goodnight!

[brunota2003]

Direct landfall on New York City. Imagine if this had been a category 3 as was originally forecast...

Yeah, but that's the problem. It isn't that it was overhyped or mis-forecast, it's just that it died out earlier due to a combination of things. Now, how will people react when the next one comes in?

I think they just got a wake up call, seeing what a "tropical storm" is capable of, water and rain wise, anyway.

[bob rulz]

Direct landfall on New York City. Imagine if this had been a category 3 as was originally forecast...

Yeah, but that's the problem. It isn't that it was overhyped or mis-forecast, it's just that it died out earlier due to a combination of things. Now, how will people react when the next one comes in?

I would hope that this opens people's eyes that tropical systems CAN make landfall in New York City instead of making them complacent about future systems. Although as always I think both mentalities will be present whenever the next true threat comes.

There are still certainly some areas that won't escape damage from this. Many areas, especially around New Jersey and in New England, are likely going to see or are possibly already experiencing pretty extensive flooding, and the surge was still a lot higher than you would expect from a strong tropical storm/category 1.

Direct landfall on New York City. Imagine if this had been a category 3 as was originally forecast...

Something like this?:

Well maybe not quite THAT bad.

[Chacor]

Sustained winds at Logan Intl (Boston, MA) now 30 kt as at 10:29am.

[ObsessedMiami]

Gotta say that I am losing a lot of respect for Anderson Cooper. He is making a lot of dumb comments and asking even dumber questions of the studio mets. Just asked if NHC was correct in telling people to stay indoors. When met said yes, backside of hurricane can pick up debris, Cooper asked "Even though it's died down here?"

[Chacor]

Gotta say that I am losing a lot of respect for Anderson Cooper. He is making a lot of dumb comments and asking even dumber questions of the studio mets. Just asked if NHC was correct in telling people to stay indoors. When met said yes, backside of hurricane can pick up debris, Cooper asked "Even though it's died down here?"

Here is CNN's complaint/comments page for Anderson Cooper. If you're right about what he said (not watching CNN right now), that's not very intelligent and can come across as questioning authority for the wrong reasons.

[Chacor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dykwAfyZ ... r_embedded

Associated Press video of flooding, Manhattan.

[Hogweed]

Gotta say that I am losing a lot of respect for Anderson Cooper. He is making a lot of dumb comments and asking even dumber questions of the studio mets. Just asked if NHC was correct in telling people to stay indoors. When met said yes, backside of hurricane can pick up debris, Cooper asked "Even though it's died down here?"

Anderson Cooper is trying to get the message through to "dumb" people. It;'s deliberate. Anderson's questions are answered with "Don't go out"

[Caribwxgirl]

I don't think he's being dumb at all. As an experienced journalist he's asking what he knows the ordinary viewer may be wondering. His so called dumb questions may end up preventing a few people from heading out.

Gotta say that I am losing a lot of respect for Anderson Cooper. He is making a lot of dumb comments and asking even dumber questions of the studio mets. Just asked if NHC was correct in telling people to stay indoors. When met said yes, backside of hurricane can pick up debris, Cooper asked "Even though it's died down here?"

[Stephanie]

Direct landfall on New York City. Imagine if this had been a category 3 as was originally forecast...

Yeah, but that's the problem. It isn't that it was overhyped or mis-forecast, it's just that it died out earlier due to a combination of things. Now, how will people react when the next one comes in?

Hopefully they will react the same way and realize this time they were very lucky. A hurricane, that made landfall in NYC, spared them. NJ, NYC, Philadelphia all handled this the right way.

[cycloneye]

BULLETIN
TROPICAL STORM IRENE ADVISORY NUMBER 33
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL092011
1100 AM EDT SUN AUG 28 2011

...CENTER OF IRENE INLAND OVER SOUTHEASTERN NEW YORK STATE...
SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND...


SUMMARY OF 1100 AM EDT...1500 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...41.4N 73.7W
ABOUT 10 MI...20 KM W OF DANBURY CONNECTICUT
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...60 MPH...95 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNE OR 20 DEGREES AT 26 MPH...43 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...966 MB...28.53 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES IN WATCHES AND WARNINGS WITH THIS ADVISORY...

THE HURRICANE WARNING FROM CHINCOTEAGUE VIRGINIA TO SAGAMORE BEACH
MASSACHUSETTS IS CHANGED TO A TROPICAL STORM WARNING. ALL WARNINGS
HAVE BEEN DISCONTINUED ALONG THE ATLANTIC COAST SOUTH OF
CHINCOTEAGUE AND FOR CHESAPEAKE BAY SOUTH OF NORTH BEACH.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT...

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR...
* CHINCOTEAGUE VIRGINIA NORTHWARD TO EASTPORT MAINE...
INCLUDING CHESAPEAKE BAY NORTH OF NORTH BEACH...DELAWARE BAY...NEW
YORK CITY...LONG ISLAND...LONG ISLAND SOUND...COASTAL CONNECTICUT
AND RHODE ISLAND...BLOCK ISLAND...MARTHAS VINEYARD AND NANTUCKET
* UNITED STATES/CANADA BORDER NORTHEASTWARD TO FORT LAWRENCE
INCLUDING GRAND MANAN
* SOUTH COAST OF NOVA SCOTIA FROM FORT LAWRENCE TO PORTERS LAKE

INTERESTS ELSEWHERE IN EASTERN CANADA SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF
IRENE.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA IN THE UNITED
STATES...INCLUDING POSSIBLE INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE
MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE
FORECAST OFFICE. FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA OUTSIDE
THE UNITED STATES...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR NATIONAL
METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE.


DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
------------------------------
AT 1100 AM EDT...1500 UTC...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM IRENE WAS
LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 41.4 NORTH...LONGITUDE 73.7 WEST. IRENE IS
MOVING TOWARD THE NORTH-NORTHEAST NEAR 26 MPH...43 KM/H...AND THIS
MOTION WITH A LITTLE FASTER FORWARD SPEED IS EXPECTED OVER THE NEXT
DAY OR SO. ON THE FORECAST TRACK...THE CENTER OF IRENE WILL MOVE
OVER NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND LATER TODAY AND OVER EASTERN CANADA
TONIGHT.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 60 MPH...95 KM/H...WITH HIGHER
GUSTS. IRENE IS FORECAST TO WEAKEN AND BECOME A POST-TROPICAL
CYCLONE BY TONIGHT.

TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 320 MILES...520 KM
FROM THE CENTER. A WEATHERFLOW STATION ON FIRE ISLAND RECENTLY
REPORTED SUSTAINED WINDS OF 50 MPH...80 KM/H...WITH A GUST TO 63
MPH...101 KM/H.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 966 MB...28.53 INCHES.
CENTRAL PARK IN NEW YORK CITY REPORTED 966.5 MB...28.54 AS THE
CENTER PASSED THIS MORNING.


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
STORM SURGE...AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS STORM SURGE WILL RAISE WATER
LEVELS BY AS MUCH AS 4 TO 8 FEET ABOVE GROUND LEVEL FROM WESTERN
PORTIONS OF LONG ISLAND ISLAND SOUND EASTWARD ALONG THE SOUTHERN
COASTS OF CONNECTICUT...RHODE ISLAND...AND MASSACHUSETTS. THE
HIGHEST SURGES WILL OCCUR NEAR THE UPPER PARTS OF BAYS AND INLETS.
NEAR THE COAST...THE SURGE WILL BE ACCOMPANIED BY LARGE...
DESTRUCTIVE...AND LIFE-THREATENING WAVES. HIGHER THAN NORMAL
ASTRONOMICAL TIDES ARE OCCURRING THIS WEEKEND. COASTAL AND RIVER
FLOODING WILL BE HIGHEST IN AREAS WHERE THE PEAK SURGE OCCURS
AROUND THE TIME OF HIGH TIDE. STORM TIDE AND SURGE VALUES ARE VERY
LOCATION-SPECIFIC...AND USERS ARE URGED TO CONSULT PRODUCTS ISSUED
BY THEIR LOCAL NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE OFFICES. WATER LEVELS
ALONG THE NEW JERSEY AND DELAWARE COAST INCLUDING DELAWARE BAY WILL
SUBSIDE TODAY.

RAINFALL...IRENE IS EXPECTED TO PRODUCE TOTAL RAINFALL ACCUMULATIONS
OF 4 TO 8 INCHES...WITH ISOLATED MAXIMUM AMOUNTS OF 12 INCHES...
FROM NORTHEASTERN PENNSYLVANIA AND NORTHERN NEW JERSEY NORTHWARD
INTO NEW YORK STATE AND INTERIOR NEW ENGLAND. THESE RAINS...
COMBINED WITH HEAVY RAINS OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS...COULD
CAUSE WIDESPREAD FLOODING...LIFE-THREATENING FLASH FLOODS...AND
SIGNIFICANT UPROOTING OF TREES DUE TO RAIN-SOFTENED GROUNDS.

WIND...TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS WILL SPREAD NORTHWARD INTO
NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND AND ATLANTIC CANADA TODAY. WINDS AFFECTING
THE UPPER FLOORS OF HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS COULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY
STRONGER THAN THOSE NEAR GROUND LEVEL.

TORNADOES...ISOLATED TORNADOES ARE POSSIBLE OVER SOUTHERN NEW
ENGLAND THIS AFTERNOON.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
NEXT INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY...200 PM EDT.
NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY...500 PM EDT.

$$
FORECASTER PASCH/BLAKE

[jinftl]

There is something that the folks trying to get on the news in NYC need to realize....if you are walking in ankle deep water and there happens to be a downed power line hitting that water, you will get electrocuted. When Hurricane Irene moved through South Florida in 1999, two kids were playing in a puddle in western broward county after the storm passed and a live wire was in the puddle. They got electrocuted. Their mother got electrocuted too trying to save them. 3 avoidable fatalities. Be safe.

[Chacor]

11 am advisory reduces winds to 50 kt. Estimated location 10 mi west of Danbury, CT, which at 10:53 am reported a pressure reading of 974mb.