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Incredible!!!!!

#21 Postby Cyclenall » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:13 pm

Prob of RI for 25 kt RI threshold= 82% is 7.0 times the sample mean(11.7%)
Prob of RI for 30 kt RI threshold= 48% is 6.0 times the sample mean( 7.9%)
Prob of RI for 35 kt RI threshold= 29% is 5.0 times the sample mean( 5.4%)
Prob of RI for 40 kt RI threshold= 29% is 7.8 times the sample mean( 3.9%)

Yep, there it is. Looks like we may have a real barn burner here folks.

Coupled with how it might be small, going over TCHP pockets when near landmass, and one of the highest RI probabilities I've seen, this could be a very dangerous tropical cyclone.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 94E

#22 Postby Yellow Evan » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:10 pm

Cyclenall wrote:
cycloneye wrote:I imagine that NHC will have recon for this potentially dangerous system. I guess Wednesdays TCPOD will have information.

Oh yeah, that didn't even cross my mind yet. That's good but the big question is, will they get in there during peak strength or will the endless streak of coming in when it starts looking pathetic continue? I think recon got in Bud even 1 hour too late which shocked even me considering the odds...we were so sure :lol: :eek: :roll: .


They are getting better at being on time w/ Recon though.
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Re: Incredible!!!!!

#23 Postby Yellow Evan » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:10 pm

Cyclenall wrote:
Prob of RI for 25 kt RI threshold= 82% is 7.0 times the sample mean(11.7%)
Prob of RI for 30 kt RI threshold= 48% is 6.0 times the sample mean( 7.9%)
Prob of RI for 35 kt RI threshold= 29% is 5.0 times the sample mean( 5.4%)
Prob of RI for 40 kt RI threshold= 29% is 7.8 times the sample mean( 3.9%)

Yep, there it is. Looks like we may have a real barn burner here folks.

Coupled with how it might be small, going over TCHP pockets when near landmass, and one of the highest RI probabilities I've seen, this could be a very dangerous tropical cyclone.


Wow, amazing.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 94E

#24 Postby Cyclenall » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:47 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:They are getting better at being on time w/ Recon though.

I wish I could believe it.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 94E

#25 Postby Chacor » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:00 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:
cycloneye wrote:<snip>


A lot of uncertainty in the storm's track.


That's not uncertainty in the models. BAMS, BAMM and BAMD are the same model, only run with different storm intensities (shallow, medium, deep).
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#26 Postby euro6208 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:17 pm

Extratropical94 wrote:12Z GFS has both systems (94L and 95L) crashing into Mexico

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/wxmap_cgi/cg ... t=Tropical

Nogaps brings 95L towards Baja California and keeps 94L away from the coast


it's E for east pacific...
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 94E

#27 Postby MGC » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:21 pm

Agree, looks like there is a system in the making down in the EPAC.......MGC
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 94E

#28 Postby somethingfunny » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:34 pm

Today's 12z Euro was pretty impressive for 94E. Just 96 hours out, or less now:

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Re: EPAC: INVEST 94E

#29 Postby Yellow Evan » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:35 pm

Chacor wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:
cycloneye wrote:<snip>


A lot of uncertainty in the storm's track.


That's not uncertainty in the models. BAMS, BAMM and BAMD are the same model, only run with different storm intensities (shallow, medium, deep).


Never knew that.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 94E

#30 Postby Yellow Evan » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:36 pm

somethingfunny wrote:Today's 12z Euro was pretty impressive for 94E. Just 96 hours out, or less now:

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sorry, but I don't see 94E on the map.
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#31 Postby Yellow Evan » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:37 pm

Watch shear kick in all of a sudden and 94E dies just like 93E.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 94E

#32 Postby somethingfunny » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:41 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:
somethingfunny wrote:Today's 12z Euro was pretty impressive for 94E. Just 96 hours out, or less now:

[img] http://i48.tinypic.com/nehxxw.gif [/ img]


sorry, but I don't see 94E on the map.


The 12z Euro shows 94E hitting Oaxaca State Saturday as a 994mb, rather tightly wound cyclone. (remember, global models usually won't show the true strength of a hurricane)

Just one model run of course. Last night's 00z Euro didn't show much, so we'll have to see what tonight's 00z shows in a few hours. Once the system gets going, a global model won't be good for much aside from showing the steering winds.
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#33 Postby Extratropical94 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:42 pm

euro6208 wrote:
Extratropical94 wrote:12Z GFS has both systems (94L and 95L) crashing into Mexico

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/wxmap_cgi/cg ... t=Tropical

Nogaps brings 95L towards Baja California and keeps 94L away from the coast


it's E for east pacific...


Oops, sorry, my bad.
Changed it.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 94E

#34 Postby somethingfunny » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:10 am

00z GFS on the other hand is unimpressed:

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Never gets stronger than that, and seems to vaporize it prior to landfall.

I normally follow anything that has a shot at hitting land. In this case, 94E should have a lot of attention from folks following the Atlantic as well, because I think whatever happens with 94E will have a huge influence on whatever is trying to get going in the Caribbean this weekend. The GFS keeps this weak and its' vaporizing seems to indicate shear from the broad trough of low pressure over Central America (indicated by the many 'L's on the GFS map)....and the GFS then creates a more dominant closed low in the NW Caribbean by early next week.

The NOGAPS (NO Good At Predicting Storms... thanks Rock!) actually develops 94E, takes it northeast across Guatemala, and takes it north across the NW Caribbean into Florida.

Euro on the other hand, has had a hurricane this weekend out by where 95E currently sits (it would probably be the system that is 94E, reaching that longitude by then). That's what last night's 00z run showed, as well as many previous runs. This rapid intensification scenario with an Oaxaca landfall is new with the 12z run, but the Euro has not been keen on Caribbean development, regardless. If that 12z run verifies, (and I think it might, given how well 94E and its' environment appear) then I think this potential Carlotta would create a more hostile environment in the Caribbean and suppress any potential Chris.

So much depends on how 94E plays out, with effects reaching much farther than Mexico and Central America...

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#35 Postby Extratropical94 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:35 am

Stays at 50%

SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ASSOCIATED WITH AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE
LOCATED ABOUT 400 MILES SOUTH OF THE BORDER OF GUATEMALA AND EL
SALVADOR HAVE CHANGED LITTLE IN ORGANIZATION DURING THE LAST FEW
HOURS. THIS LOW HAS THE POTENTIAL TO DEVELOP INTO A TROPICAL
DEPRESSION DURING THE NEXT DAY OR TWO AS IT MOVES
WEST-NORTHWESTWARD OR NORTHWESTWARD AT 10 MPH. THIS SYSTEM HAS A
MEDIUM CHANCE...50 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING
THE NEXT 48 HOURS.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 94E

#36 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:41 am

Up to 60%

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
500 AM PDT WED JUN 13 2012

FOR THE EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC...EAST OF 140 DEGREES WEST LONGITUDE..

SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ASSOCIATED WITH AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE
LOCATED ABOUT 375 MILES SOUTH OF THE BORDER OF GUATEMALA AND EL
SALVADOR HAVE BECOME A LITTLE BETTER ORGANIZED THIS MORNING. THIS
LOW HAS THE POTENTIAL TO DEVELOP INTO A TROPICAL DEPRESSION DURING
THE NEXT DAY OR SO AS IT MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD OR NORTHWESTWARD
AT 10 MPH. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...60 PERCENT...OF BECOMING
A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 94E

#37 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:10 am

Tropical Cyclone Formation Alert

WTPN21 PHNC 131000
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION ALERT//
RMKS/
1. FORMATION OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE IS POSSIBLE WITHIN
140 NM EITHER SIDE OF A LINE FROM 8.2N 90.5W TO 12.4N 95.0W WITH-
IN THE NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS. AVAILABLE DATA DOES NOT JUSTIFY IS-
SUANCE OF NUMBERED TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNINGS AT THIS TIME. WINDS
IN THE AREA ARE ESTIMATED TO BE 15 TO 20 KNOTS. METSAT IMAGERY AT
130930Z INDICATES THAT A CIRCULATION CENTER IS LOCATED NEAR 7.9N
90.0W. THE SYSTEM IS MOVING WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 07 KNOTS.
2. REMARKS: AN AREA OF CONVECTION HAS PERSISTED NEAR 7.9N 90.0W,
APPROXIMATELY 340 NM SOUTH OF SAN SALVADOR, EL SALVADOR. ANIMATED
INFRARED SATELLITE IMAGERY DEPICTS PERSISTENT DEEP CONVECTION
FLARING OVER A CONSOLIDATING LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC). A
130200Z SSMIS 91 GHZ IMAGE SHOWS BROADLY TURNING DEEP CONVECTIVE
BANDS AROUND THE PERIPHERY WITH A SMALL HOOK FEATURE NEAR THE LLCC.
A 130247 PARTIAL ASCAT PASS INDICATES 20 KNOT WINDS OVER THE EASTERN
SEMI-CIRCLE OF THE LLCC. UPPER-LEVEL ANALYSIS INDICATES THE SYSTEM
IS UNDER SPLIT FLOW DIVERGENCE WITH WEAK VERTICAL WIND SHEAR (05-10
KNOTS) AND GOOD DIVERGENCE ALOFT. SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES ARE
FAVORABLE FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE DEVELOPMENT AT 28-30 DEGREES CELSIUS.
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED SURFACE WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 15 TO 20 KNOTS.
MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED TO BE NEAR 1006 MB. DUE TO
THE INCREASED CONSOLIDATION OF THE LLCC, PERSISTENT DEEP CONVECTION,
AND FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT, THE POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A
SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS HIGH.
3. THIS ALERT WILL BE REISSUED, UPGRADED TO WARNING OR CANCELLED BY
141000Z.//
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#38 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:38 am

its very likely already a TD. I think once they have more visible sat images they will up it to 80 at 2pm them td by 5 or 11.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 94E

#39 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:29 am

Recon for Friday afternoon. I think is the first time I see that wording on a TCPOD.

NOUS42 KNHC 131330
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
0930 AM EDT WED JUN 132012
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
VALID 14/1100Z TO 15/1100Z JUN 2012
TCPOD NUMBER.....12-026

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY.....NEGATIVE.

II. PACIFIC REQUIREMENTS
1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
2. SUCCEEDING DAY OUTLOOK: FIX OF A POSSIBLE DEVELOPING
HURRICANE AT 15/1800Z NEAR 13.5N 95.5W

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#40 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:51 am

cycloneye wrote:Recon for Friday afternoon. I think is the first time I see that wording on a TCPOD.

NOUS42 KNHC 131330
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
0930 AM EDT WED JUN 132012
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
VALID 14/1100Z TO 15/1100Z JUN 2012
TCPOD NUMBER.....12-026

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY.....NEGATIVE.

II. PACIFIC REQUIREMENTS
1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
2. SUCCEEDING DAY OUTLOOK: FIX OF A POSSIBLE DEVELOPING
HURRICANE AT 15/1800Z NEAR 13.5N 95.5W

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two whole days from now.. strange that would be just before landfall.
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